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Old 03-10-2005, 08:34 AM   #1
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Montain Lion Pics From Hornell, NY

I got these pictures from a guy I work with. They were taken at a camp near Hornell, NY. The DEC came out to investigate the sighting and how could they hide anything with these pictures. Enjoy the pictures I know I did.
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Old 03-10-2005, 08:42 AM   #2
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Kitty does not look happy.
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Old 03-10-2005, 08:42 AM   #3
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Awesome shots!
Keep the young'uns indoors in Hornell...
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Old 03-10-2005, 09:49 AM   #4
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I wonder about the transient dog and cat population in the Hornell area now??
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Old 03-10-2005, 10:54 AM   #5
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Nice pics Seth! Those pics were taken pretty much in Mine and Seth's backyard. There have also been sightings in PA where we live in the PA Grand Canyon!
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Old 03-10-2005, 11:05 AM   #6
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Not much question as to the species and I'm fairly sure that, once the photo is varified and the location confirmed, I'd say thats a slam dunk "CLASS I" confirmation of a cougar in NY (we've had NO class I confirmations in NY).

Great shots, but any investigator looking into this would have to validate the photo location (i.e. see the location is actually in Hornell, NY) Otherwise it could just be a pretty kitty picture taken in CO or something where cougars stroll by houses all the time. My interest is piqued for sure.

Contact me (PM) if your POSITIVE of the photo location and perhaps we can get someone "to validate" the sighting. When was it taken, and I'm REAL suprised I'd not read about it before?
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:07 PM   #7
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The guy that I work with said he is positive the pictures are valid. He knows the people that took the pictures. The e-mail I got with the pictures said the following.

"This is NO joke. I personally know the person who took these photos.
Edna Kriner Kirby was at the hunting camp in Hornell NY the weekend of
Jan 24, the weekend we had the big snowstorm. She has cats and noticed
something had been cleaning out all the food on the deck and in the storage shed. Very Big Cat. That sunday a rep from the DEC confirmed it was a Cougar.
He said there is at least10 cougars living between Hornell, Corning NY
to Wellsboro PA. Each animal can roam a 100sq mile area and usually stay
clear of human activity, but in the winter easy food will attract them. He
noted this is VERY rare to have one at your door and stay there for 3 photos.
This animal may be a problem one , he said. He also estimated the animal is
over 100lbs. Also the local radio and tv news didn't seem to care much about this
story or the photos. I guess they don't want to cause a scare in that area.
Watch your back if you have a camp or cottage in that area."
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Old 03-10-2005, 02:11 PM   #8
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Yikes. I will never hike alone in the woods again after dark! Sdg75, does Edna know what caused the critter to snarl, as in the -4 image?

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Old 03-10-2005, 02:19 PM   #9
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What's really scary is the only thing between that poor lady and that cat is a couple of panes of glass. I am sure she had a horrible time sleeping that night.

I have been reading where they've attacked lone hikers, walkers or bike riders out west. sounds like they are definitely something to start thinking about.
We have a summer place in Hammondsport, which is only about 25 miles (ATCF) from Hornell, so it hits close to home for me.
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Old 03-10-2005, 02:22 PM   #10
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i think it's beautiful.
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Old 03-10-2005, 02:37 PM   #11
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I think it's beautiful too. However, if your kid gets eaten by kitty, you might have second thoughts.

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Old 03-10-2005, 02:43 PM   #12
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Wow...sounds like it's time for them to stop feeding their cats on the deck and storing food in their shed.
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Old 03-10-2005, 03:24 PM   #13
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Is this really for real??!!
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Old 03-10-2005, 03:34 PM   #14
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The guy that I work with said he is positive the pictures are valid. He knows the people that took the pictures. The e-mail I got with the pictures said the following.

"This is NO joke......... Watch your back if you have a camp or cottage in that area."
Sadley there are tons of these type e-mails out there. I don't doubt your story at all and verification would be pretty simple and would only entail someone physically going to the location and verifying that the images captured (other than the cougar) correspond with an actual home/camp in the Hornell area.

Simple enough, if its true. But, I always get a little wary with this stuff, a few years ago the was this internet hoax photo going around with a Timber wolf that was killed in Parma NY (near Rochester). Turns out, the photo was in fact a timber wolf, but it was killed and captured in N. Minnesota, not western NY. Before that it was a HUGE Bear internet hoax and so on and so forth.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if this was real and that the photo is authentic, as it would mean NY will have its first confirmed cougar in a long time. Given my understanding of cougars, which admittedly only comes from reading a few titles on N. American predators, I would doupt VERY SERIOUSLY that the Hornell area has a stable population (which 10 adults would imply) and this photo is the only evidence for it. With that many animals in that populated a area (all things considered), there would be so many human/cougar interactions (i.e. lost pets, cattle predation, sightings, etc.). Your talking a huge predator with large home ranges in a reasonalbly small populated area (compared to their typical ranges out west anyway). I just can't see it. Isolated pockets of individuals perhaps, but not a healthy stable breeding population.

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Check out "Beast in the Garden" its a book about cougar/human interaction and wildlife managment gone awry. Very though provoking. btw, this type of incident happens ALL THE TIME out west in places with healthy cat populations, like the front range in CO, and the High Sierra's in CA. People even get kilt too on occasion
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Old 03-10-2005, 04:39 PM   #15
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I think it's beautiful too. However, if your kid gets eaten by kitty, you might have second thoughts.

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she has the potential to kill your children, too (and she's of a much more unpredictable species)






my point is just b/c something has the potential to kill you, doesn't take away from it's beauty.
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Old 03-10-2005, 05:53 PM   #16
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those are great shots. I really hope they turn out to be valid photos. Though they could pose a threat, I still think it would be great to have them...even if its only a few
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Old 03-10-2005, 06:30 PM   #17
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I have known Seth for a long time time and his family. One summer a few years ago his older brother Jason spotted a mountain lion/ cougar down the road from where we live. I know they are there and his brother is not one to make up a story....although no photos to prove his sighting.

Maybe these pictures are a hoax but i know there are mountain lion where we live
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Old 03-10-2005, 07:02 PM   #18
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They are in the PA Grand Canyon as well or at least travel through it, bet they don't much like the people traffic now that the RR is out and Rails Trailis is in..

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They are in the PA Grand Canyon as well or at least travel through it, bet they don't much like the people traffic now that the RR is out and Rails Trailis is in..

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There have been numerous sighting in the canyon. Have you seen one in your travels? PA Fish and Game still claim there are none though

On Route 6 between Wellsboro and Mansfield there is a new outfitters store called Wild Asaph Outfitters. I was in there the other day and they had a picture hanging behind the counter. Someone had one of those motion cameras you set in the woods to spot dear with. Well they caught a mountain lion on it this past hunting season. Its not the best photo but you can make it out. PA Fish and Game claimed it was a big coyote....... When you could clearly make out the big tail
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No one would be more fascinated than me if these pics were legit. However, they have the ring of an urban legend to them (eg. I have a friend who knows the people). This is common denominator of them.

I do believe these big cats are out there and I fully agree with Redhawk’s catch 22 dilemma (see the other mountain lion thread: “They won't acknowledge proof of the Cats in the dacks without physical proof, and they won't investigate sightings because "there are no cougars in the dacks!"" It inevitable that they will return.

But, why does the big cat eat the kitty chow when he could eat the kitties themselves?

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