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Old 05-17-2010, 12:41 AM   #21
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Industrial whaling, starting in the 1700s, and, by extension, today's "factory" fishing ships, drifter nets, vacuum trawlers and all their cursed, greedy ilk...
Goodbye forever, noble Northern Cod.
I couldn't help but notice the juxtaposition of this comment about whaling, and those mentioning petroleum. Whale oil was used for fuel (among other things), and one of the things that saved the whales was the discovery of petroleum as a replacement.

As for the question, I would have somehow let humanity know a few hundred years ago that our actions can have a huge effect on the planet. We didn't seem to realize that until relatively recently.
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one of the things that saved the whales was the discovery of petroleum as a replacement.
That and the near extermination of most whale species (at least all the "useful" species). Good point. it's interesting to note that this isn't the first energy crisis or "peak oil" crisis we've encountered.
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Old 05-17-2010, 07:49 AM   #23
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Okay, here's the deal.

You have one (and just one) opportunity to go back anywhere in the past 500 years and change just one thing to alter the course of environmental impact.

It can have nothing to do with regulation, politics, laws, etc.

When, where and what would it be?

Be serious, here's your chance to save the planet. Don't blow it!!

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Can we change history? Yes, because we are living in this moment of history. I would go back zero seconds, reach out to those who I can, and influence them to focus their attention on the scientific data and not the politics of this multi-faceted issue. Don't ask me how I'd do that, but my point is that we can't change what is already done, but we can alter the course of our future.

There, this post is history.
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Old 05-17-2010, 09:49 AM   #24
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ok Redhawk, tell us the truth.
Did you manage to build a time machine out of a food dehydrator?
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Old 05-17-2010, 11:07 AM   #25
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I couldn't help but notice the juxtaposition of this comment about whaling, and those mentioning petroleum. Whale oil was used for fuel (among other things), and one of the things that saved the whales was the discovery of petroleum as a replacement.

As for the question, I would have somehow let humanity know a few hundred years ago that our actions can have a huge effect on the planet. We didn't seem to realize that until relatively recently.
good point,colden46. hindsight is more of a lesson than foresight,to me. looncry
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Old 05-17-2010, 12:08 PM   #26
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I would spread a disease that reduces mankind's IQ to about 60. We would never have invented any of these things that foul and destroy.
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I'd invent Spanish Fly for whales so we would never run out of whale oil and then never have to drill for oil. Swiz
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Old 05-17-2010, 01:03 PM   #28
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I'd invent Spanish Fly for whales so we would never run out of whale oil and then never have to drill for oil. Swiz
I know this is a joke but I was curious. It turns out the total biomass of blue whales is almost identical to the daily US consumption of petroleum.

So if every ounce of every blue whale on the planet could be converted to oil, it would last this country a single day.

(I know, other whales were more important for oil, etc etc but I thought it was interesting nonetheless)
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Old 05-17-2010, 03:40 PM   #29
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Go back to the times when politicians had the country and it's people at best interest instead of the $$$$. Reincarnate Teddy Roosevelt
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Old 05-17-2010, 03:52 PM   #30
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Go back to the times when politicians had the country and it's people at best interest instead of the $$$$. Reincarnate Teddy Roosevelt
I'm a teddy Roosevelt Fan, but he wasn't as idealistic as you may think.

His actions in 1905, An "Imperial Cruise" into the Pacific, (Hawaii, Japan, Korea and the Phillipines, led by William Howard Taft, his Secretary of War and the secret treaties (A violation of the Constitution since he didn't include Congress) would lead to The War in the Pacific in WWII, The triumph of Communism in China and the Korean War.

The plan was to secretly aid the Japanese takeover of China, Manchuria and most of eastern Asia and open the way for American and British Businesses.

He also planned the annexation of the Phillipines when he was an under secretary of the navy and he aided and abetted the succession of panama from Columbia in order to build the Panama canal.

So, let's not depend on ANY politican to try to straighten things out.

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I know this is a joke but I was curious. It turns out the total biomass of blue whales is almost identical to the daily US consumption of petroleum.

So if every ounce of every blue whale on the planet could be converted to oil, it would last this country a single day.

(I know, other whales were more important for oil, etc etc but I thought it was interesting nonetheless)
Wow we're gonna need a bigger ocean!! Ok I'm going back to my shooting the guy who invented the gun idea. Swiz
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I suppose if there was never an apple tree. But I doubt we'd have apple computers now either. And you'd have to go back more than 500 years.
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I suppose if there was never an apple tree. But I doubt we'd have apple computers now either. And you'd have to go back more than 500 years.
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Old 05-18-2010, 09:46 AM   #35
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Sticking with the Adirondacks....

I would have put in fish barriers all over the place to keep perch, bass and other NBWI species from invading and decimating the trout populations.
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Old 05-18-2010, 09:57 AM   #36
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I would spread a disease that reduces mankind's IQ to about 60. We would never have invented any of these things that foul and destroy.
Why not bump the IQ up to the 200 range? Like mine.
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Why not bump the IQ up to the 200 range? Like mine.
An entire world filled with Neil? I have to think about that...
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Why not bump the IQ up to the 200 range? Like mine.
Neil, we're talking about "Intelligence Quotient"

Not "Imaginary Quests"

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Why not bump the IQ up to the 200 range? Like mine.
IQ of 200? I wouldn't have guessed it. But after seeing you dressed for a swim I'm thinking maybe you do.

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Why not bump the IQ up to the 200 range? Like mine.
Then I we'd have something in common. Like that is important.

I wish we never ate the apple. Then IQ wouldn't matter. Just the capacity of our hearts would.
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