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Originally posted by backwoodsmanI saw something today that made me stop and think,an 80+ year old man enjoying a ride in a stashed canoe.And he walked about 5 miles to get to it.I would sure hate to see him denied that pleasure."Now I see the secret of making the best person, it is to grow in the open air and to eat and sleep with the earth." -Walt Whitman
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Originally posted by backwoodsmanI saw something today that made me stop and think,an 80+ year old man enjoying a ride in a stashed canoe.And he walked about 5 miles to get to it.I would sure hate to see him denied that pleasure.
I felt sympathy for this man, I voiced to him my anger over the unfairness of the new regulations. He said "don't worry about it, things change". He had already moved on, and encouraged me to do the same. So I did.
That man was my dad.Scooting here and there
Through the woods and up the peaks
Random Scoots awaits (D.P.)
"Pushing the limits of easy."™
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The older I get, the more I can sense and feel my abilities slipping away. The desire to do things and go back into deep woods areas is not diminishing however. As I age, I sympathize more and more with those who are unable to access the deep woods areas because of restrictions and the more I question the logic of maintaining large land areas that limit the public's use. Surely a certain amount of these areas is warranted, but the 64 million dollar question is, how much of it should there be? Where should the line be drawn?
I don't ever plan on giving up my backwoods forays and should I die in the attempt, well, what better way to go? We only go through this life once, and I'm not giving up until I draw my last breath. I hunt and fish alone quite a bit and my wife worries about it but understands how I feel. As for the 80 year old that wanted to enter the 90 miler, how dare someone have the audacity to tell him he can't. If he dies in the attempt, c'est le vie. I take my hat off to him.
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Rather than change the way things have been in the Adirondacks for generations; maybe one should try the Catskills. You'll find lots of rules and Rangers for your comfort. We are losing our property to high yuppie house prices now you want to take our ponds too.
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Originally posted by ripz182 View PostRather than change the way things have been in the Adirondacks for generations; maybe one should try the Catskills. You'll find lots of rules and Rangers for your comfort.
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Originally posted by ripz182 View Postnow you want to take our ponds too.
Also, I'm pretty sure the ponds will still be pretty much where you last saw them. They're unlikely to be relocated downstate any time soon.He found himself wondering at times, especially in the autumn, about the wild lands, and strange visions of mountains that he had never seen came into his dreams.
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Originally posted by hobbitling View PostYour ponds? Last time I checked they were "Our ponds". It's not your personal playground just because you live nearby, anymore than it is anyone elses.
Who should have the most say in how our land is managed? Whose needs are most important? Those who visit a destination the most often, live nearby, and are undoubtedly going to be most influenced based on management decision, or those who visit that destination no more than a few times a year, and live far away?
It's easy to understand why Adirondack and Catskill locals would feel frustration towards the rest of New York State when it comes to opinions towards how state land should be managed. Place attachment is strongest among those people who visit a particular destination the most often, and those people certainly are going to have the strongest feelings concerning how that destination ought to be managed.
That being said, even those New York State residents who never visit Forest Preserve Land still ought to be given a say in how state lands are managed. Studies have shown that city dwellers who hardly ever leave places like New York City, still find value in wilderness aesthetics. The quality of their life is improved by knowing that as a society, we have set aside areas for wilderness preservation and natural resources conservation. In a way, state lands are still "used" by people who never set foot on them. The New York City watershed is another excellent example of this, many New York City residents might never visit the Catskills, but they still depend on them for a clean drinking supply.
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Originally posted by ripz182 View PostRather than change the way things have been in the Adirondacks for generations; maybe one should try the Catskills. You'll find lots of rules and Rangers for your comfort. We are losing our property to high yuppie house prices now you want to take our ponds too.
Maybe its just me but things seem to have changed over the past couple years. I've seen and heard of boats being outright stolen. People mess with boats (shooting, flipping so they fill with snow/rain, etc). More and more boats seem to be showing up, even in easy to access ponds. It really has gotten out of control. Does a pond less than 1 mile from a trailhead need 6 boats? I know one that apparently does.
I don't know what the right answer is but in this hyper polarized world some compromise might be in order. Like maybe require removal of the boats after the season. If we're trying to eliminate the litter of the abandoned stashed boat this should work for both sides no?
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Originally posted by Creekwader View PostI don't know what the right answer is but in this hyper polarized world some compromise might be in order. Like maybe require removal of the boats after the season. If we're trying to eliminate the litter of the abandoned stashed boat this should work for both sides no?Scooting here and there
Through the woods and up the peaks
Random Scoots awaits (D.P.)
"Pushing the limits of easy."™
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Originally posted by Creekwader View Post...I don't know what the right answer is but in this hyper polarized world some compromise might be in order. Like maybe require removal of the boats after the season. If we're trying to eliminate the litter of the abandoned stashed boat this should work for both sides no?
Now you are just talking nonsense... if there is one thing our acting government has shown us - there is no middle ground to accommodate both sides; there is no compromise. Could you even imagine such a hellish concept.
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Sounds reasonable to me.
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