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Old 06-10-2008, 08:57 AM   #1
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I was just wondering if anyone is seeing or has seen any bats? I live SW of albany and haven't seen any bats this spring. I have a big yard with lots of bugs and the swallows are here in force but when the sun goes down, no bats.
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Old 06-10-2008, 09:05 AM   #2
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I haven't paid much attention , but there are a few around here near Syracuse.

There was a short thread here in January. wonder if there is any updated info ?

http://www.adkforum.com/showthread.p...highlight=bats
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Old 06-10-2008, 09:17 AM   #3
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Strangely enough, we saw one while hiking Lake Road a couple weekend's ago - broad daylight, and flying somewhat erratically. Only one I've seen in a while, though.
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:12 AM   #4
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There have been some massive bat die offs in the past year or two. Some caves have seen around 90% of the bats die, or more. They seem to die over the winter, but nobody knows why. Lots of theories, but none have been proven. Its a complete mystery, and wildlife researchers are frantically trying to figure it out. it seems to be especially bad in the hudson valley, but has been reported elsewhere in the Northeast as well.

someone noticed white fungus on the noses of some dead bats, sent an email to a colleague, word spread, and somehow "white nose syndrome" became the explaination. Well it turns out healthy bats have this fungus too, and not all dead bats have it. healthy bats can easily groom the fungus off when they wake up, and the fungus has actually been reported for quite a while before the dieoffs started happening. So despite all the evidence that the fungus has nothing to do with it, you're likely to read a lot about it. The press loves "syndromes".

heres the best article I've read about it so far.
http://www.batcon.org/news/news_item.asp?NewsID=346

first the bees, then the bats.
ever read "silent spring"?
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first the bees, then the bats.
ever read "silent spring"?
Funny - these things never affect the damn squirrels in my yard - there's always plenty of them!
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Old 06-10-2008, 11:35 AM   #6
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In Hobbitling's link it mentioned spraying for mosquitoes, this has been done all around the state for some time to prevent West Nile Virus and something called EEE Virus. The chemical of choice is Permethrin which has the following non-target affects;
From wikipedia
.......... a broad-spectrum chemical, it kills indiscriminately; as well as the intended pests, it can harm beneficial insects including honey bees, aquatic life,[1] and small mammals such as mice. Permethrin is toxic to cats and many cats die each year after being given flea treatments intended for dogs, or by contact with dogs who have recently been treated with permethrin.


Don't bats consume very large amounts of mosquitoes each night?

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And don't honeybees gather pollen and nectar from flowers that have been contaiminated with the same insecticides? and the same stuff people use on their beautiful lush green lawns! Enought with the chemicals!
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Old 06-10-2008, 01:22 PM   #8
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Yeah, but permethrin isnt new. its been around for decades.
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Yeah, but permethrin isnt new. its been around for decades.

It's a synthetic pyrethrum that has been around since the late 70's. Although it is used for agriculture,[ amongst other things], its use is much more widespread as of late due to spraying for mosquitoes........Permethrin lasts longer in the environment than pyrethrum products which are derived from chrysanthemums. As a chemical group, it has replaced older chemicals that have been taken off the market and is also used in a rotational manner to alleviate resistance , making it's use even more widespread. Other chemicals can also be used in conjunction with the above, Piperonyl butoxide is a synergist that can increase the effectiveness of permethrins.


Of course there are many other reasons that are possible for the lessoning bat population, this is just one!

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Old 06-10-2008, 02:47 PM   #10
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We seem to have a pretty healthy bat population in my neighborhood (about 15 miles west of Rochester). I just wish they ate enough mosquitoes to make a difference.
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Old 06-10-2008, 03:13 PM   #11
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I was just wondering if anyone is seeing or has seen any bats? I live SW of albany and haven't seen any bats this spring. I have a big yard with lots of bugs and the swallows are here in force but when the sun goes down, no bats.
Hi, I live not far from you (Voorheesville). We've had them every year for the 20+ years we've lived here. We usually see several dozen taking off from a space between our chimney and the house. I haven't noticed them this year, but haven't really looked for them. I'll check.

This notice might be of interest.

One of the comments on this link makes the same point that chairrock did in this thread.

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Old 06-10-2008, 03:29 PM   #12
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One of the comments on this link makes the same point that chairrock did in this thread.

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I found this entry in the link very interesting!



"I said it about bees, and I'll say it about these poor bats.

With genetically modified foods, one would think the pollen would also be modified.
Who's to know if that modified pollen somehow plays havoc with the bats immune system, and causes this weakness to contaminants that would otherwise not affect them".
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Old 06-11-2008, 02:51 PM   #13
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Bats/Bees/++++

Another interesting article on how we are poisoning aquatic creatures...

http://www.livescience.com/environme...pollution.html
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Another interesting article on how we are poisoning aquatic creatures...

http://www.livescience.com/environme...pollution.html
I don't have the source but they have also found increasingly high amounts of prescription drugs in seacreatures that is attributed to outfall from sewerage treatment plants. Seems the drugs pass thru all the filters and wind up in the water.Everything from antibiotice to Viagra, maybe the fish will like it....
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I don't have the source but they have also found increasingly high amounts of prescription drugs in seacreatures that is attributed to outfall from sewerage treatment plants. Seems the drugs pass thru all the filters and wind up in the water.Everything from antibiotice to Viagra, maybe the fish will like it....

Back in the late 70's, they opened a sewerage treatment plant at Bergen point, West Babylon on Long Island. Up until then Great South Bay, which the plant now emptied into, was the best place for little neck clams anywhere! Soon after, it went steadily downhill and today you would be lucky to see a clam boat around that area at all! Perhaps with the new addition of Viagra, things will be looking up.........
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Back in the late 70's, they opened a sewerage treatment plant at Bergen point, West Babylon on Long Island. Up until then Great South Bay, which the plant now emptied into, was the best place for little neck clams anywhere! Soon after, it went steadily downhill and today you would be lucky to see a clam boat around that area at all! Perhaps with the new addition of Viagra, things will be looking up.........
I had college friends back then who tonged out of Patchouge area during summers and hoildays,they were good clams and good times at the Casino....but who can remember...my gawd did we really do that
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I had college friends back then who tonged out of Patchouge area during summers and hoildays,they were good clams and good times at the Casino....but who can remember...my gawd did we really do that


The 70's were a little cloudy for me. I'm pretty sure I had a good time though and yes the clams were great!
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Old 06-25-2008, 07:49 AM   #18
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I am happy to report that I saw three bats last night as I was putting the railings on my deck. I think they just wanted to be close to the sam summer ale I was drinking. Nothing goes better with fresh Mosquito.
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Old 06-25-2008, 08:52 AM   #19
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I'm seeing two or three after dusk on most nights in the Ballston Spa area, but its nothing like I remember as a kid. Also, we boarder state protected wet land (lots o' skeeters) so I'd expect to see more in the area.
Anyone have any experience with bat houses? I'd like to try and encourage the population around our property but I've heard there's a lot of misinformation about design and location of bat houses. Just wondering if anyone's got any first hand dos and don'ts.
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I never realized there were so many different types of bats in N.Y.



CHIROPTERA (Bats)
Vespertilionidae Little Brown Bat Myotis lucifugus common statewide 224, 225(G), 814(G) 142 Lives in hollow trees, buildings , caves and mines.
Keen's Bat Myotis kenii common statewide 226 121 Resembles Little Brown in appearance and habits, silky fur.
Indiana Bat Myotis sodalis endangered statewide 391 163 Grayish-brown; hibernates in huge, isolated colonies.
Small-footed Bat Myotis leibii sp. concern statewide 226 Small feet, golden brown, black ears and face mask.
Silver-haired Bat Lasionycteris noctivagans common statewide 658 172 Brown, silvery throat, neck and head. Likes conifers, water.
Eastern Pipistrelle Pipistrellus subflavus common statewide 38, 654(C) 228 Reddish brown back, yellowish belly. Smallest NY bat.
Big Brown Bat Eptisicus fuscus common statewide 39(C), 223 356 Large but not largest bat in NY. Eats largely beetles.
Red Bat Lasiurus borealis common statewide 40, 650 (C), 815 183 Brick-red to buffy orange. Catch insects on electric lights.
Hoary Bat Lasiurus cinereus common statewide 41, 42, 656 185 New York's largest bat. Eats a variety of insects.
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