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Old 02-17-2016, 02:27 PM   #1
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The size of the Adirondack Park

I was perusing the official tourism site for the Adirondack Region today when I read something interesting. In the paragraph titled "Six Million Acres - The Forever Wild Park," does anyone notice anything odd? (That is to say, factually incorrect.)
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Old 02-17-2016, 02:36 PM   #2
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I spotted it DSettahr, thanks for the laugh as I sit in this pointless meeting! I wont mention it in this post so others can enjoy finding it. lol
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Old 02-17-2016, 02:48 PM   #3
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Caught it too.

Not the same item, but when did the Tug Hill and the St. Lawrence River Valley get rolled into the Adirondack region?
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Old 02-17-2016, 02:59 PM   #4
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I think I know what they meant to put there.

I've seen the regions split up by county:



and by some other unknown boundaries:



These are both from ny.gov sites BTW.
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Old 02-17-2016, 03:06 PM   #5
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I think it is just based on how the NY Dept. of Economic Development has split the state up into regions for the purposes of Tourism Promotion through their I ❤ NY program.
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Old 02-17-2016, 03:54 PM   #6
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Ha! See even they split it up different!

(all three of those maps are different in one way or another)

Also, if you search for land in this state to buy, you'll often get a bunch of hits that are in the 'Adirondack' region but not actually inside the blue line.

I think we should just call all of NY the Adirondacks, but it still won't be larger than New England.
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Old 02-17-2016, 04:19 PM   #7
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Don't forget the NYSDEC regions:



Or the OPRHP regions:



Or the NYSDOT regions:

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Old 02-17-2016, 04:28 PM   #8
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And don't forget that NY has the largest number of "governmental units" (counties, towns, villages, authorities, departments, etc.) of any state in the country. (And, partly as a result, the highest taxes.) Making maps of all these overlapping regions is your tax dollars at work...
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Old 02-17-2016, 04:36 PM   #9
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I was perusing the official tourism site for the Adirondack Region today when I read something interesting. In the paragraph titled "Six Million Acres - The Forever Wild Park," does anyone notice anything odd? (That is to say, factually incorrect.)
The Adirondack park may well include six million acres, but a good portion of it consists of privately held properties which cannot be considered "forever wild".
At any rate, we have a great resource for all of us to enjoy.
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Old 02-17-2016, 04:43 PM   #10
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I was perusing the official tourism site for the Adirondack Region today when I read something interesting. In the paragraph titled "Six Million Acres - The Forever Wild Park," does anyone notice anything odd? (That is to say, factually incorrect.)
The Adirondack park may well include six million acres, but a good portion of it consists of privately held properties which cannot be considered "forever wild".
At any rate, we have a great resource for all of us to enjoy.
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Old 02-17-2016, 04:45 PM   #11
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Sorry for the duplicate post.
Blame it on my wife! )))
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Old 02-17-2016, 04:57 PM   #12
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"Forever Wild" does not necessaarily mean forever.
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Old 02-17-2016, 05:05 PM   #13
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The Adirondack park may well include six million acres, but a good portion of it consists of privately held properties which cannot be considered "forever wild".
At any rate, we have a great resource for all of us to enjoy.
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In 1902, the legislature passed a bill defining the Adirondack Park for the first time in terms of the counties and towns within it. In 1912 the legislature further clarified that the park included the privately owned lands within as well as the public holdings.

So therefore even privately owned lands have to meet the following:
In 1894, Article VII, Section 7, (renumbered in 1938 as Article XIV, Section 1) of the New York State Constitution was adopted, which reads in part:
The lands of the state, now owned or hereafter acquired, constituting the forest preserve as now fixed by law, shall be forever kept as wild forest lands. They shall not be leased, sold or exchanged, or be taken by any corporation, public or private, nor shall the timber thereon be sold, removed or destroyed.


Why even privately owned lands fall under the basic rules. What sets it apart from say Vermont, where you can do anything you want on your land. But people keep trying. I know of one person, very wealthy, that cut down trees along the bank of one of the lakes in the Fulton chain that blocked his view. He was fined for every tree and had to replant. He knew this, but the fine was within his ability to easily pay. When they begin to block his view, he'll just cut them down again. Why the laws need to be revisited... ie, he cuts them down again, he forfeits his ownership of the land or something equally punitive. It is a special place, but it is precarious. People who live there and have followed the rules through the several generations since its creation have contributed to its unique and increasingly rare attributes that attract people of wealth, who would like nothing better than to adjust the rules to their own narcissistic concerns. They are the ones that really threaten the gift to our great grandchildren and beyond of a relatively intact sliver of wilderness, within a few hours of the biggest city on earth. If left to the greed of the same sort of people, there woudn't be anything left, bit by incremental bit, by the time they are born.
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Old 02-17-2016, 05:21 PM   #14
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"Forever Wild" does not necessaarily mean forever.
Nothing is "forever" for us mortals, my friend.
Only our earth.
Enjoy it.
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Old 02-17-2016, 05:29 PM   #15
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"Forever Wild" does not necessaarily mean forever.
Or wild.
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:21 PM   #16
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"So therefore even privately owned lands have to meet the following:"

No.

"The lands of the state" have to meet that. The words are clear.

Otherwise you should just bulldoze every private home within the Blue Line right now. But I forget; some folks want that...
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:53 PM   #17
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RichieC, Good post!
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Old 02-17-2016, 08:50 PM   #18
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Perhaps we should call it something else other than "Forever".
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This should serve as an interesting read, especially if you live here.

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Old 02-18-2016, 12:06 AM   #20
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Perhaps we should call it something else other than "Forever".
but nothing sounds as good as "forever wild" to all the tree huggers and city slickers that come in and spend their money here and we all know that everyone will do whatever it takes for money and since its putting money in their pockets they don't care whether it's true or not, its all about that green stuff.. and i dont mean the trees.
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