Permits Coming?

[montcalm]

Yes I know stewards and afrs cannot enforce. They can however detain or acquire info that can be relayed to an eco. Read my previous post.

That would be my suggestion on how to handle that


I’d also try to target teachers for summer work. They retain benefits so a summer gig is actually really low cost to hire them.

[Wldrns]

We would love to get teachers trained as BSA summer trek leader guides. The problem is, at least in NY, school does not get out until late June, which is too late to attend NCS and reliably train and hire guide candidates for summer work. School superintendents do not look kindly on teachers who ask to take off during exam week, when NCS is held.

So how does an AFR physically detain a violator who does not want to be detained, or do other than to report to their regional ranger as I stated as read in my previous post?

[montcalm]

Smartphone really makes it easy to capture a picture of someone and relay it to the ECO.

[backwoodsman]

They could use reading this thread as punishment , might be considered cruel and unusual though .

[Blackflie]

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!,

[St.Regis]

Originally Posted by backwoodsman

They could use reading this thread as punishment , might be considered cruel and unusual though .

Lol

[montcalm]

Originally Posted by Wldrns

We would love to get teachers trained as BSA summer trek leader guides. The problem is, at least in NY, school does not get out until late June, which is too late to attend NCS and reliably train and hire guide candidates for summer work. School superintendents do not look kindly on teachers who ask to take off during exam week, when NCS is held.

That's unfortunate, but if they were serious about recruiting they could change the date to a time of school vacation. I assume once you are trained, you'll be eligible each year?

[Wldrns]

Originally Posted by montcalm

That's unfortunate, but if they were serious about recruiting they could change the date to a time of school vacation. I assume once you are trained, you'll be eligible each year?

Massive Thread Drift, but since you asked.....
BSA National Camping School training dates are determined by BSA National per region. The Northeast Regional NCS in New York is always the very last one of the season, set to train all manner of skill section directors (including shooting sports, Ecology, climbing, waterfront, program, trek leader, etc.) before summer camp season begins. It would be hard to train an Adirondack guide unless you can do the training in the Adirondacks. The week after NCS the trained program directors need to spend a week at their assigned resident camp to help open and to prepare it before scouts arrive, usually the first week of July (after public school ends in NY). Training certification needs to be renewed every 5 years, (unless you are on permanent instructor staff).

[montcalm]

I'm more interested in what it would take for teachers to team up with the DEC and become gainfully employed over summer break as Stewards or AFRs.

Obviously people who work in education (and love the outdoors) would be ideal candidates for summer help. Seems like some simple certs in LNT and DEC policy would all that would be needed. Perhaps some special training in how to deal with difficult individuals.

[Wldrns]

Originally Posted by montcalm

Perhaps some special training in how to deal with difficult individuals.

oh... the stories I could tell about socially dealing with incompetent and disruptive homesick scouter "Bobby" and with mean non-LNT believing and biased scoutmaster "Mr. Finkelstein" when they appear during instructor constructed role playing training scenarios both in pre trek classroom and later out on the trail. We have DEC employees on staff, and a ranger led policy talk and Q&A session. There is a reason why our training program is 8 days long. I have been told by guides at the end of the season that they have experienced both cases in reality.