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[montcalm]

Originally Posted by Schultzz

If you insist on discussing it you might want to learn how to spell it.

"eminent domain"

https://ag.ny.gov/real-property/rece...d-acquisitions

Ahaha - I'll make a note to my secretary.

[Schultzz]

Mr. Montcalm,
I really don't wish to insult you as you have me, "I suggest you keep your gun your holster and seek some professional help", so I'll offer you a suggestion. Nobody is trying to "get you". You insert a huge colored picture which I cannot fathom what that has to do with "eminent domain", you trivialize and minimize your stance after making a big noise by suggesting I am being treasonous, and you accuse me of being a troll, then you state that it is not personal. I think it's time to move on to a topic that may be of interest to anyone who has to read this. Of course you may feel that you have the need to have the last word as you often do, so have at it.

[montcalm]

I’m sorry no one has the stones to tell you that or if they have you haven’t taken it seriously but it was not an insult. It was a strong suggestion for everyone’s well being.

[Schultzz]

"I’m sorry no one has the stones to tell you that or if they have you haven’t taken it seriously but it was not an insult. It was a strong suggestion for everyone’s well being."

I knew you couldn't resist.

I rest my case.

[montcalm]

Listen, I'd probably just ignore you if your first post wasn't so downright unsettling.


But given that I'm a parent in what seems to be an ever increasingly domestically violent world, I'm gonna call you out on some BS. It will not and should never be tolerated.

If you don't like the APA, or whatever, use your extensive legal knowledge (which you seem to think you have) to fight the problem that way. There should be no other acceptable answer than democracy and due process. You have proven your misguided thoughts are otherwise, so I suggest you seek help in mitigating them and finding the proper avenue for expressing them.

[billconner]

Definitely not posting links to any more articles.

[St.Regis]

Why not? I think links to interesting articles are good. Maybe what should have been done was for a moderator to check in and at least try to keep things civil

[montcalm]

Originally Posted by St.Regis

Why not? I think links to interesting articles are good. Maybe what should have been done was for a moderator to check in and at least try to keep things civil

Sounds like you need a militia for that. Maybe you should just secede from the forum.



What probably should have been moderated was his first comment - but I'm waiting for him to come back and acknowledge it, maybe apologize for even suggesting such garbage. It's offensive to any NYer who appreciates our public lands, it's downright dangerous and vile talk, and it's completely illogical and ill-conceived. I don't care if you are a veteran, it doesn't give you an excuse for that nonsense. Would the military unit you served accept that?

PS - I'm all for free speech, but if we can't acknowledge and denounce dangerous, delusional and selfish thoughts, then what are we as a society? All thought is not equal.

[Schultzz]

Originally Posted by montcalm

Sounds like you need a militia for that. Maybe you should just secede from the forum.



What probably should have been moderated was his first comment - but I'm waiting for him to come back and acknowledge it, maybe apologize for even suggesting such garbage. It's offensive to any NYer who appreciates our public lands, it's downright dangerous and vile talk, and it's completely illogical and ill-conceived. I don't care if you are a veteran, it doesn't give you an excuse for that nonsense. Would the military unit you served accept that?

PS - I'm all for free speech, but if we can't acknowledge and denounce dangerous, delusional and selfish thoughts, then what are we as a society? All thought is not equal.

The Adirondack "Park" residents should build a "war chest" of funds to secede from the state and create their own state. It is possible. Then they could revise laws to protect land owners and still protect the wilderness areas. Common sense laws would replace ridiculous laws which seek to have no permanent residences. A militia could be hired to enforce the secession and patrol the roads in the "park". Sensible zoning laws would permit some development which would create funds to protect the natural resources. Think it can't happen? A multi-billionaire could make it happen and the world has many of them.

[montcalm]

Originally Posted by Schultzz

The Adirondack "Park" residents should build a "war chest" of funds to secede from the state and create their own state. It is possible. Then they could revise laws to protect land owners and still protect the wilderness areas. Common sense laws would replace ridiculous laws which seek to have no permanent residences. A militia could be hired to enforce the secession and patrol the roads in the "park". Sensible zoning laws would permit some development which would create funds to protect the natural resources. Think it can't happen? A multi-billionaire could make it happen and the world has many of them.

It is illegal for any territory to secede from the state of New York.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admission_to_the_Union


The Adirondacks are not owned by their residents- secession would not only be illegal per the above but would be stealing land from every other resident of New York. Half of the land is publically held and a good portion of the rest has sold rights to the state through easement. The APA keeps a detailed record of this. I?m not going to look up statistics but perhaps you should and see how much land you are proposing be stolen. There is far more than a billion dollars in land value and the land is not for sale.

Hiring mercenaries to protect what you are proposing stealing is an act of aggression and surely would be met with violence.

Your careless reiteration of this is direct support for said theft, violence and treason. That has to go against some kind of forum rule and if nothing else, a simple code of ethics.

The actions of this, if ever attempted would be charged as treason. I suggest you look that up because it?s true as far as I can tell.

You?re outta line soldier.

[Schultzz]

So it's okay for the government to seize land which was part of a treaty established by George Washington, but illegal for citizens to protect their land from seizure through secession. https://www.ehn.org/seneca-nation-ki...791/particle-2

"The federal government has a long history of betraying Native people for American gain. In Bowen's words, "Indian people have always been the supermarket for America."

[montcalm]

I would likely side with Seneca based on my limited knowledge of this. But two wrongs don’t make a right. The state has legally secured lands and easements through many taxpayer dollars which are not for the taking. Stealing lands that have been rightfully acquired by those included in secession not to mention the number of seasonal owners you want to villanize is a crime against the majority of the states citizens and would not be tolerated democratically.

Just because I’m in proximity to my neighbor does not give me any right to annex his property.

[Bunchberry]

Well I have questions!

Which billionaire is going to bank roll this?

Are you planning so succeed from the country or just the state. If it is the state you would need to form a new state. This is what the Constitution has to say about that:

“New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State."

So you are going to have to convince Kathy Hockul and the legislature it's a good idea and the US congress. Good Luck with that!

Or maybe you are thinking of going full "Red Dawn" and live in the mountains carve out Adirondackonia/Adirondackstan/Adirondackia/ by force! If you start the rebellion right before black fly season it might last longer than a week.

[Schultzz]

"Or maybe you are thinking of going full "Red Dawn" and live in the mountains carve out Adirondackonia/Adirondackstan/Adirondackia/ by force! If you start the rebellion right before black fly season it might last longer that a week."

Interesting concept. Maybe we could give a name to the effort like "Black Fly Insurrection" and start it right after the "Black Fly Challenge". The Demarcation line could be the road in the MRP, then in the years when the race starts in Inlet, a fee could be charged for each cyclist to raise funds for the "militia". Great idea Mr. Bunchberry!

[montcalm]

I love how this forum completely breaks down over the legality of burning a piece plastic but is completely indifferent and perhaps even supportive of the the idea of major crimes against the state.

[Schultzz]

Originally Posted by montcalm

I would likely side with Seneca based on my limited knowledge of this. But two wrongs don?t make a right. The state has legally secured lands and easements through many taxpayer dollars which are not for the taking. Stealing lands that have been rightfully acquired by those included in secession not to mention the number of seasonal owners you want to villanize is a crime against the majority of the states citizens and would not be tolerated democratically.

Just because I?m in proximity to my neighbor does not give me any right to annex his property.

You don't get it do you Mr. Montcalm. No land would be taken from private citizens, however, the easements would be controlled by the new entity thus replacing the state control. Everything could remain the same except reasonable laws could be established which would eliminate unreasonable control upon the citizens. A tribute could be paid to the State of NY and they would have no more obligation to provide services. Of course, the tax base would go to the newly formed organization. Everything would remain the same and the state could be bailed out of its current financial burden. Sort of like a "Giant Casino property."

Of course this would all happen with state approval, hence no laws would be broken.

[montcalm]

Of course this would all happen with state approval, hence no laws would be broken.

It?s the only way it would be legal and would not result in conflict.


But it would never be approved. The state would never give up something they?ve invested the time and money into such as the park.

You?d have better luck trying to nullify Article 14.

[Bunchberry]

Originally Posted by montcalm

I love how this forum completely breaks down over the legality of burning a piece plastic but is completely indifferent and perhaps even supportive of the the idea of major crimes against the state.

While I am not supportive of the idea, I think you the only one having a break down.

[montcalm]

Originally Posted by Bunchberry

While I am not supportive of the idea, I think you the only one having a break down.

I think perhaps the idea of stealing the Adirondacks doesn?t quite sit well with me. I wonder if the gent in Texas was on a forum telling everyone how he was going to secure his school? Apparently some people had a conversation like this before they convened at the Capitol and tried to nullify an election.

Ideas like this should not be taken lightly.


Maybe you think recent events and current feelings of secession are a laughing matter?

[montcalm]

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Major red flags yet psychiatric care was not adequate or available. Funny stuff.

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Yeah... it'll all be peaceful. And legal too. Hilarious.