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Old 09-29-2021, 01:59 PM   #1
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Is skiing still affordable?

Single day ticket price is now $105 for Gore... I worry that many families (especially inside the blueline) will simply be priced out of the sport.
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Old 09-29-2021, 02:31 PM   #2
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Not for me.
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Old 09-29-2021, 03:58 PM   #3
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Depends on what they want to ski and how much.

Like many things, those tickets you mention are fairly high, but if they live nearby (since you say within the blue line) and want to go frequently, I'd suspect that there are passes that make it much cheaper on a per day basis.

Then, you have options that are cheaper to begin with - something like the one in Saranac Lake comes to mind. A small ski area, but far lower costs and particularly good for those with younger family members to get a chance to try the sport to see if they even like doing it.

Of course, for even less costs, there's always cross country, which may have no cost beyond the equipment for many (given the number of free to access trails in the park).
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Old 09-29-2021, 07:08 PM   #4
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My wife and I are 35 years on Ski Patrol.

Consider it. Serve the skiing public.
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Old 09-29-2021, 07:23 PM   #5
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I have sticker shock. So now I x-country local and take advantage of big dump windfalls. So happy with a few very good days.
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Old 09-29-2021, 07:55 PM   #6
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there is much more skiing than resort skiing

I agree lift-served skiing is getting insane, but Nordic is free or inexpensive, depending on where you go. And with backcountry and AT skiing, the most you’re paying for is the parking, depending on where you go…
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Old 09-29-2021, 08:00 PM   #7
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MDB and I skied Okemo the year that the lodge burned down...it was $9, all surface lifts except for a chair on the beginner area. Ha, now a $100 lift ticket seems like a bargain...

Now that I'm ancient and have no time constraints, I bought a midweek only, non holiday season pass for MDB and myself at Mt Snow, $275 each!! And that includes Okemo, a bunch of little places as well as 5 days at Stowe. Even though I don't care for groomed snow, man-made snow, or even trails, at least we'll have consistent cover whenever we go.

We did quite a few half days at Royal last season, a great little spot with something for all levels of ability. I think it was $35 each.

For many years, I belonged to Schenectady Wintersports Club, which provided both CT and NY Ski Council Awareness Days at all sorts of large and small ski areas in NY, VT, NH, MA, and even ME. Some sort of deal nearly every day of the season. Typical lift ticket rates are roughly 1/3 of ticket window prices. Many other ski clubs provide the same sort of council days savings.
Sadly, all council days were suspended last pandemic affected season. I haven't looked to see if they're back this season.

My buddy that moved to PA has purchased the Indy Pass, which, provides 2 days each at over 40 different ski areas all over the eastern seaboard. Not sure of the cost, but his family of 5 skied much last year because they had that pass.

Besides all of the above, there's always Back Country skiing, but not everyone has the AT gear, nor is willing to earn their turns. For those of us that are equipped and willing, there's no better skiing experience than BC skiing in virgin powder, surrounded by silence. Even less experienced skiers can enjoy that type of skiing, just in less challenging conditions/environment.

So there it is. Is skiing too expensive? It can be.
But various club deals, smaller places, creative passes can mitigate those outrageous prices.
Or...get some AT gear, work on your skills and stamina and switch to BC skiing.

Edit to add:
There are a number of free rope tows in the ADK's, and there's plenty of fun to be had that way.
Near me is the still struggling Ridge Runners ski club, for a very small fee, you and your whole family can ski all you want using their rope tow.
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Old 09-29-2021, 08:12 PM   #8
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Lifts were a terrible idea anyway... Get back to the roots!
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Old 09-30-2021, 12:50 PM   #9
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montcalm,
Are you a BC guy too? I know there's a handful of us here...
Last year was a great season, I had many days of perfect, deep, untracked powder.
Let's all hope for more of the same this year!!
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Old 09-30-2021, 06:36 PM   #10
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montcalm,
Are you a BC guy too? I know there's a handful of us here...
Last year was a great season, I had many days of perfect, deep, untracked powder.
Let's all hope for more of the same this year!!
I am.

But I'm very much an opportunist and ski whatever.
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Old 10-16-2021, 06:29 PM   #11
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Living in the Albany area I’m a huge fan of Jiminy Peak. Twilight tickets are usually $38 on non holiday weeknights, and the $300 Zephyr seasonal pass seems well worth it. With the high speed Berkshire Express 6 person lift you can easily do as many as 6 runs per hour. I usually do twilight and do about 15-18 runs in 2-3 hours and I’m spent!
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Old 10-16-2021, 06:43 PM   #12
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I used to go night skiing at Bristol Mountain, because it was super cheap. A season pass was and still is pretty cheap. They often also have promo nights once a week.

I don't really love the night skiing though. It's cold, icy and a lot of times they'll be blowing snow - which isn't actually fun to ski through/in. But you sure can get a lot of vert in on weekday (as long as it's not a school night) in less than 4 hrs. I'm pretty sure I used to ski 6hrs (4-10) with only a short dinner break, so it's quite a bit of ski time.
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Old 10-17-2021, 06:57 AM   #13
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I volunteered at jiminy peak as a mountain ambassador for years. Perks included season pass for myself and family members, substantial discounts at other mountains and discounts on both food and gear. Commitment was 12 hours per week, 1 eight hour weekend day and I four hour weeknight.
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Old 10-18-2021, 05:45 PM   #14
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What was the $275 pass.....We ski Whiteface-Gore and Bellaire(sp) for 229 any day of the week-any time...
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Old 10-18-2021, 06:41 PM   #15
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What do you mean "still affordable"? I grew up 10 miles from a local smallish downhill ski facility and also not far from Adirondack ski resorts. I left for some years but came back and now still live in the same region. Never had the funds as a kid to join in with the "townie" well-to-do crowd kids whose parents had money and skied also. So XC backccountry I went, starting and learning in fields and nearby woods on an old pair of wood skis I found before I could later get a modern waxable set. I've always used waxies through the years. Never took lessons or learned formal downhill skills. Attempted and evenually learned some telemark techniques from an instructor friend, but the snow gets typically so deep and fluffy here in Tug Hill Lake Effect country that much of bacckcountry skiing involves heavy trudging and sinking through the deep stuff to make my own packed trails that I can reuse until the next heavy snowfall comes a couple of days later.

Rare conditions with hard iced over snow in open hilly fields with a touch of fresh control snow on top is wonderful and fast when it happens. Groomed XC trails not far away are available, though some will get ruined by rogue snowmobilers who think they can carelessly travel on them at will.
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Old 10-18-2021, 07:27 PM   #16
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Whilst I love XC skiing, I found that sometimes when I went out to the Black River Valley, and even around home or in the Adirondacks, after a big dump, it just wasn't any fun. Too much trudging.

I finally got wise and realized the best thing to do when it's deep is find something with some pitch, and of course it helps to have some skis that are up to the job.



After a few years of moving incrementally toward this, I finally broke down and bought a modern pair of ultra-light skimo-type skis with fishscales (Voile Objectives). When the snow is deep, these are where it's at but by no means are they even close to a modern "powder" ski. They are light enough to be skied with leather boots or light plastic boots. Having a modern rockered tip and very little camber they really do a great job in deep snow. They are super slow to K+G, but not an issue if you are climbing. Telemarking is fantastic with them and they have the most climbing grip of any ski with scales I've ever used.

I had a really great picture of some crazy deep snow conditions from BRV that started my idea of going to a ski like this... but I couldn't find it.

A company called Altai also makes a ski called the KOM which is in the same kind of width/length category but it's significantly heavier that the Objectives, and I wanted to be able use leather and plastic boots. The KOM probably at minimum needs a T4 boot. The KOMs are much cheaper and I hear they ski great for deep snow XCD**

**Turns out I'm wrong and the KOM has been updated to a very competitive weight.

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Old 10-18-2021, 10:21 PM   #17
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As far as a BC-XC ski for the Adirondacks that is great for touring, I really love this ski:



On a Blue Extra day tour, these can't be beat.

This ski has been changed a little bit, but it's still made by Asnes as an Ingstad. It's pretty close to a ski other people might know by Madshus called the Eon or XCD-GT (Karhu) but overall just a better made ski with better materials - not as plasticy feeling.
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Old 10-19-2021, 10:38 AM   #18
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I have a general rule that I will only pay for downhill skiing once a year.
The rest of the time, I pick a mountain, hike up, and ski down. I absolutely love back country skiing - the exploration factor, the exercise, the freedom, and the price ($0).

Skiing should be available to everyone regardless of wealth.
If you keep a lookout there are often deals at ski areas during various times of the year (pay your age day, pay $14 on Valentine's day, In-State resident low price Sunday afternoons, etc, etc..) stuff like that.
If you "coupon shop" as a downhill skier for a variety of mountains you can often find some really good deals as long as you have flexibility as to when and where you go.
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Old 10-19-2021, 11:47 AM   #19
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I have a general rule that I will only pay for downhill skiing once a year.
The rest of the time, I pick a mountain, hike up, and ski down. I absolutely love back country skiing - the exploration factor, the exercise, the freedom, and the price ($0).
I gotta disagree here. It's not free...

By the time you invest in a proper pair of skis you're gonna be out more than you would pay for a season pass, rentals and lessons at most hills in NY. WTBS, the first 3 factors often outweigh the equipment cost, although I'd say if you want the most actual time skiing dh for the $, lift served is far cheaper.
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Old 10-19-2021, 12:00 PM   #20
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Whoa there…
He never said it was free, just the cost for that skiing was $0. We all know you have to have some equipment.
As Spencer said, there still are many deals to be had, just need some flexibility to take advantage of them.
I still maintain that you can’t beat the various ski council awareness days, big mountains, little mountains, all over the northeast on many days, and not just midweek.
Join a ski club and enjoy the savings and maybe even the camaraderie.
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