Adirondack Hunting Clubs seeking members

[ADK Tank]

Originally Posted by Bounder45

I'm not sure I buy that. Many of the snowmobile trails in the ADK's run through private land. What is the liability issue with that and how is it resolved?

The snowmobile club that maintains the trail covers the insurance on the trail through the NYS Snowmobile Assoc. There is pretty much no liability on the land owner for a snowmobile trail unless they were to do something deliberately negligent to the trail.

[Bounder45]

Do you have to be a member of the NYS Snowmobile group to use the trails?

I know you have to buy a permit to use many of the trails on private land. I don't see why that same model can be replicated for hikers and/or hunters who want to use these logging roads to get into more remote areas of the ADK's.

[Buckladd]

Originally Posted by Bounder45

I'm not sure I buy that. Many of the snowmobile trails in the ADK's run through private land. What is the liability issue with that and how is it resolved?

I'm not a snowmobiler, but I believe the clubs have their own insurance. And/or the state purchases an easement from the landowner, not the club, for snowmobiling. I also know there are some easement lands in the Adirondacks that are open for other forms of recreation, except during big game season. Each one is different.

I personally don't feel the big timber companies sell their land because they're hard up for cash. They see a business opportunity and they capitalize on it; especially if future timber production potential is not lucrative compared to the financial offer.

If you're looking for hiking opportunities on leases, I think you'd need to approach it on a large scale. Say for example, ADK gets with Lyme Timber and makes some sort of arrangement. Or, you get DEC to go to bat for you. I doubt the clubs would ever be interested in such a thing as someone would have to manage it, and they may not want the extra company during the summer months.

Anyway, if it's something you feel strongly about, then look into it.

[ADK Tank]

Originally Posted by Bounder45

Do you have to be a member of the NYS Snowmobile group to use the trails?

I know you have to buy a permit to use many of the trails on private land. I don't see why that same model can be replicated for hikers and/or hunters who want to use these logging roads to get into more remote areas of the ADK's.

You do not have to be a member of a snowmobile club to use the trails, the other option is to pay $55 more to DMV when you register your snowmobile. If you pay the $30 to be a member of a snowmobile club you get a voucher to bring to DMV and only pay $45 vs $100 for the snowmobile registration.

The only place that I am aware of in New York that charges for an extra permit fee is the Town of Webb for snowmobiling in the Old Forge area. Other than there you can ride on any trail in New York regardless which snowmobile club maintains the trail as long as the snowmobile is registered and insured.

I am sure the model you are describing for hikers/hunters would work if you were to get one of the major land owners involved. International Paper used to have pretty much the same permit system you are looking for in the Speculator Tree Farm and Perkins Clearing areas. You could stop at designated local businesses and buy a permit to use their lands ranging from 1 day to I believe a month and for individual use or family use. That was back in the 90's before International Paper sold the land and conservation easements were put on the land. So it could work but I believe the major timber companies prefer club leases since it's a multi year contract usually and seems like it should be guaranteed revenue as long as someone is leasing the lands.

[Mallard1100]

Originally Posted by bobadkhunter

Mallard, Only if you reciprocate......Since you border us , come on over for our club picnic on Aug. 4th and introduce yourself. Gate will be open for the day(about a mile in).

Thanks for the offer Bob. I have met a few gents from Robinwood, all nice guys. They even helped us out a couple years ago trapping some nuisance beavers.

[bobadkhunter]

Your Welcome...standing offer. I was the trapper, so if you met the trapper you met me.

[Bounder45]

Originally Posted by Mallard1100

Thanks for the offer Bob. I have met a few gents from Robinwood, all nice guys. They even helped us out a couple years ago trapping some nuisance beavers.

What clubs are out in that area? I’ve spent many a day hiking down the roads near lake Lila, and despite all I’ve said, I do actually have interest joining a club or lease that is set up on a remote piece of land.




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[Lucky13]

Not on the Long Lake -Tupper route, but Newcomb Sportsman's Club is always advertising for members in NY Outdoor News. The Robinwood website also indicates they have openings.

[Mallard1100]

Originally Posted by Bounder45

What clubs are out in that area? I’ve spent many a day hiking down the roads near lake Lila, and despite all I’ve said, I do actually have interest joining a club or lease that is set up on a remote piece of land.
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There are quite a few clubs in the area. A father and son own a large tract of land in the vicinity of Lake Lila rd and I believe there may be another camp or 2 down Lila rd although I have never met them. Send me a PM for some more intel.

[Bounder45]

PM's sent.

Is there a way to view land ownership information online? If, for example, I had an interest in reaching out to a landowner, or leaseholder, for inquiries about leasing opportunities for a particular area, is there a database which contains point of contact information?

[skillzman1]

maybe this is what you're looking for?
https://www.acrevalue.com/plat-map/NY/

[bobrok]

Originally Posted by skillzman1

maybe this is what you're looking for?
https://www.acrevalue.com/plat-map/NY/

Nice find, however I just used it to look up my leaseowner and it's out of date by close to 21 months in my case.

I'll keep it bookmarked for future reference. TY for this link.

[mgc]

Originally Posted by bobrok

Nice find, however I just used it to look up my leaseowner and it's out of date by close to 21 months in my case.

Here's another tool that you might try..it would be interesting to learn if it's also out of date. There are differences between the mobile and PC app but property lines and ownership should be consistent.

https://www.huntstand.com/?action=lo...407883/assets/

[Lucky13]

Originally Posted by Bounder45

PM's sent.

Is there a way to view land ownership information online? If, for example, I had an interest in reaching out to a landowner, or leaseholder, for inquiries about leasing opportunities for a particular area, is there a database which contains point of contact information?

It is also worth checking the County website where the land is located, a lot of counties have Real Property databases that are based on GIS mapping. I have used the Herkimer County one to check on the correct location of State Land in areas where the posting is not great.

[Stillhunter]

The mapping app OnX Hunt shows all private land ownership and boundaries. Very helpful. I really like it. Many other features as well. Try it out.

[Cpswing555]

I tried the free app during our deer season. it works pretty well, but know that the boundaries are not exact so be careful when your close to the line.

[Wldrns]

From the DEC web page you can get quite a lot of information, including wetland boundaries and tax map information. it takes some navigation to click on the right options from the tools and legend links, but it is all there on the Environmental Resource Mapper.
http://www.dec.ny.gov/gis/erm/

[Stillhunter]

I have the annual subscription for $29 I found it pretty accurate on state / private boundaries in southern tier this year. I look for signs or markers to confirm. It also shows trails, allows you to mark waypoints, can save maps in case cell coverage is poor. Allows switching from topo to aerial photo. Also shows WMU boundaries and weather data. Well worth it in my opinion.

[trapperpete]

Does anyone know about hoffman f&g club?