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bluequill 09-27-2014 12:13 AM

No one mentioned Roger Maris. He was an unsung hero and one of my favorites when I was a kid. But none was better than Mickey, IMO. Better than Ruth or Jeter.

Fisheater 09-27-2014 04:03 PM

I am from Michigan and enjoy this forum because I like canoes and backcountry skiing. I really don't care about the Yankees, but I would watch them to see Derek Jeter. He was the best all around shortstop I remember seeing. He was key to those World Series championships.

Justin 09-28-2014 08:08 AM

I saw this stat come up on Fox during the Yankees - Red Sox game yesterday...
All time Yankee Hits at Fenway Park:
Lou Gehrig 193
Babe Ruth 173
Mickey Mantle 165
Derek Jeter 164
Joe DiMaggio 159

Jeter has a chance to tie and pass Mantle on that list during the final game today, so even if you don't consider him the greatest Yankee ever, I don't think that anyone can argue that he is definitely up there as one of the greatest Yankees ever!

Firenailer 09-28-2014 08:53 AM

I'm with you buddy. Just look at the names this kid is up with on every top 5 or 10 list he's on. It was an incredible career and one we'll never see again in the modern sports era.

Capt. Clutch was simply one of the greatest to ever play.

PA Ridgerunner 10-01-2014 09:18 AM

Jeter has been my favorite Yankee for a long time. He's had a tremendous, sustained, hall of fame career. The "intangibles" or "baseball smarts" are hard to quantify, and he had them in spades!

That said, IMHO, he's not in the same class of player as a significant handful of Yankee greats: Gehrig, Ruth, DiMaggio, Mantle, Berra. For all of those guys they were considered the best at their position for a significant part of their careers, with the possible exception of Mantle who had the misfortune of playing during the Willie Mays era.

Jeter, on the other hand, probably only approached that benchmark in one or two seasons. He had the benefit of playing on a great team, so he was more visible than many others, and he had more durability than most of them, except Ripkin. He has many Yankee records, but some of them are in the "compiler" category. You bat lead-off for a team that scores a lot and you stay healthy, you will get many at bats and hits and walks and runs. Same for all his post-season records. (I understand you still have to hit the ball and run the bases.) Not taking anything away from him. Great ball player, and first-round HOF-er.

Agreed, this is a fun conversation. And I'll miss Derek's play and his presence. (Although he is about the worst interview in sports!) Now I have no reason to watch the Yankees.

Crokit 10-05-2014 07:08 AM

I remember when Tom Seaver was elected to the Hall of Fame. There were but a couple of voters who did not choose him. I believe he still has the greatest percentage of votes ever. Several of those voting " no" stated that they wanted to guarantee Seaver wasn't a unanimous selection. When asked why, they stated if Gehrig didn't deserve to be unanimous, no one deserves it.

I believe Jeter will be the first. :thumbs:

redhawk 10-05-2014 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Crokit (Post 223185)
I remember when Tom Seaver was elected to the Hall of Fame. There were but a couple of voters who did not choose him. I believe he still has the greatest percentage of votes ever. Several of those voting " no" stated that they wanted to guarantee Seaver wasn't a unanimous selection. When asked why, they stated if Gehrig didn't deserve to be unanimous, no one deserves it.

I believe Jeter will be the first. :thumbs:

I agree with the holdouts.

Crokit 10-06-2014 05:31 AM

Frankly RedHawk, so do I, but I think Jeter will overcome it.

redhawk 10-06-2014 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Crokit (Post 223220)
Frankly RedHawk, so do I, but I think Jeter will overcome it.

You might be right.

No reflection on Jeter, but in this age the bar has been lowered.

PA Ridgerunner 10-06-2014 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crokit (Post 223185)
...Several of those voting " no" stated that they wanted to guarantee Seaver wasn't a unanimous selection. When asked why, they stated if Gehrig didn't deserve to be unanimous, no one deserves it...

While I agree with the presumption that if Gehrig wasn't unanimous, no one deserves it, I disagree with the rationale that I (or some really smart HOF voter should withhold my vote for that reason). Essentially the voter's rationale is "some voter 70 years ago was an idiot, so I will be an idiot today."

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Originally Posted by redhawk (Post 223222)
You might be right.

No reflection on Jeter, but in this age the bar has been lowered.

Agreed.

Limekiln 10-06-2014 10:01 AM

Jeter was a great player and ambassador of the sport, but what made me a true fan was the gift baskets!

Gman 10-06-2014 01:43 PM

Your favourite player is usually the one you grew up watching. My favourite Yankee was Bobby Murcer.

WinterWarlock 10-06-2014 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Gman (Post 223238)
Your favourite player is usually the one you grew up watching. My favourite Yankee was Bobby Murcer.

Must be why I don't have a favorite player, or understand the adulation being heaped on Jeter.

Me, I prefer to heap my adulation on Mario Capecchi

PA Ridgerunner 10-06-2014 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WinterWarlock (Post 223239)
Me, I prefer to heap my adulation on Mario Capecchi

What was his lifetime batting average?

WinterWarlock 10-06-2014 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PA Ridgerunner (Post 223241)
What was his lifetime batting average?

I'd say he did alright - made it into his Hall of Fame anyway

1992 - Bristol-Myers Squibb Award for Distinguished Achievement in Neuroscience Research
1993 - Gairdner Foundation International Award for Achievements in Medical Sciences
1993 - Gairdner Foundation International Award
1994 - General Motors Cancer Reseearch Foundation Alfred P. Sloan Jr. Prize
1996 - Kyoto Prize in Basic Sciences
1996 - German Molecular Bioanalytics Prize
1997 - Franklin Medal for Advancing Our Knowledge of the Physical Sciences
1998 - Feodor Lynen Lectureship
1998 - Rosenblatt Prize for Excellence
1998 - Baxter Award for Distinguished Research in the Biomedical Sciences
1999 - Helen Lowe Bamberger Colby and John E. Bamberger Presidential Endowed Chair in the University of Utah Health Sciences Center
2000 - Lectureship in the Life Sciences for the Collège de France
2000 - Horace Mann Distinguished Alumni Award, Antioch College
2000 - Italian Premio Phoenix-Anni Verdi for Genetics Research Award
2001 - Albert Lasker Award for Basic Medical Research, co-winner with Martin Evans and Oliver Smithies[27]
2001 - Spanish Jiménez-Diáz Prize
2001 - Pioneers of Progress Award
2001 - National Medal of Science[28]
2002 - John Scott Medal Award
2002 - Massry Prize from the Keck School of Medicine, University of Southern California
2003 - Pezcoller Foundation-AACR International Award for Cancer Research
2002/3 - Wolf Prize in Medicine
2005 - March of Dimes Prize in Developmental Biology
2007 - Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine, co-winner with Martin Evans and Oliver Smithies[6]

adkmoose 10-06-2014 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limekiln (Post 223232)
Jester was a great player and ambassador of the sport, but what made me a true fan was the gift baskets!

Me too , a true gentleman

:rolling::rolling:

redhawk 10-06-2014 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WinterWarlock (Post 223243)
I'd say he did alright - made it into his Hall of Fame anyway

1992 - Bristol-Myers Squibb Award for Distinguished Achievement in Neuroscience Research
1993 - Gairdner Foundation International Award for Achievements in Medical Sciences
1993 - Gairdner Foundation International Award
1994 - General Motors Cancer Reseearch Foundation Alfred P. Sloan Jr. Prize
1996 - Kyoto Prize in Basic Sciences
1996 - German Molecular Bioanalytics Prize
1997 - Franklin Medal for Advancing Our Knowledge of the Physical Sciences
1998 - Feodor Lynen Lectureship
1998 - Rosenblatt Prize for Excellence
1998 - Baxter Award for Distinguished Research in the Biomedical Sciences
1999 - Helen Lowe Bamberger Colby and John E. Bamberger Presidential Endowed Chair in the University of Utah Health Sciences Center
2000 - Lectureship in the Life Sciences for the Collège de France
2000 - Horace Mann Distinguished Alumni Award, Antioch College
2000 - Italian Premio Phoenix-Anni Verdi for Genetics Research Award
2001 - Albert Lasker Award for Basic Medical Research, co-winner with Martin Evans and Oliver Smithies[27]
2001 - Spanish Jiménez-Diáz Prize
2001 - Pioneers of Progress Award
2001 - National Medal of Science[28]
2002 - John Scott Medal Award
2002 - Massry Prize from the Keck School of Medicine, University of Southern California
2003 - Pezcoller Foundation-AACR International Award for Cancer Research
2002/3 - Wolf Prize in Medicine
2005 - March of Dimes Prize in Developmental Biology
2007 - Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine, co-winner with Martin Evans and Oliver Smithies[6]

But, could he hit?


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