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duell79 05-09-2010 04:27 PM

Adirondack Hunting Clubs seeking members
 
Hi Everyone.
We have a hunting club in the Long Lake NY area and are in need of some members. It has been discouraging looking for members the last few years. It seems as though either people have a bad taste for hunting clubs because so many clubs have been forced out by recent state land purchases or the economy has affected hunters ablities to afford hunting clubs. We have been in existance since 1971 and could become another casualty soon without new members. Gone are the days when you go to camp to hunt with 10 or so fellow members. Our club now gets 2-4 members a weekend and sometimes none at all. It is a shame to lose our club because we just finished building a beautiful new lodge and are one of the few clubs that has tried to keep it's annual dues reasonable: we only pay $500 per year. Are there others out there experiencing the same problem as we are? I would like to hear your opinions as to why this seems to be happening. If anyone is looking for a place to hunt look us up. gmartin79@hotmail.com

chairrock 05-09-2010 05:05 PM

Where in Long Lake? I am familiar with Minerva, Fishing Brook Range,Cold Springs and the Kempshaw clubs.

Little Rickie 05-09-2010 07:46 PM

I hope not.

EagleCrag 05-09-2010 09:53 PM

I own a camp with my sister (inherited) and when I was young we used to have a campfull of guys. Now it is just me. I would consider joining another hunting club just for the camaraderie, but won't as I can't justify the expense when I already have a camp. The mountains and hills in the area I hunt also hold cherished memories shared with my father, brother and other hunting companions. I have looked for other hunting companions to join me, but I find most are older like myself and already have their haunts. There just don't seem to be many younger hunters. All the easements the state has instituted has done away with hunting camps that were in place for generations. I believe it is an Adirondack tradition that is dying. So sad to see when our youth really needs to get out from behind the TV & electronics and get outside.

dpc34 05-10-2010 06:09 AM

Is this the camp accross from the old Trophy Ridge Club, I once had a camp in there. I think just up the road from your old one....dave.. On circle Rd, I think your old camp burned down....

duell79 05-10-2010 07:22 AM

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We are the Buck Mtn Club, we along Rte 30 and the Sabattis Circle road all the way to Little Tupper Lake. We lease 1350 acres. We are adjacent to the W C Whitney state land. We have a max membership of 28 and are at 17 currently. We have a brand new cabin that is 20 x 40 with a bunk room and living area, hot and cold running water, that is very nice. The dues are $500 per year which we pay $250 in March and $250 in Sept. If you are interested in more information or seeing the club let me know. I can show you around almost anytime as I live in Tupper Lake. I am the only member from the immediate area. Our cabin that was built in 1971 burned down in October 2006 but we were insured and we rebuilt. I attached some pics of the new cabin. Sorry but the one of the outside was taken when we were building a few years ago but it is complete now. We are directly across from the old Trophy Ridge club and I was even a member there also until they were closed.

fisher39 05-10-2010 08:37 AM

Just as a general question regarding hunting clubs, are they just for hunting, or might they appeal to other people - fishermen, birdwatchers, hikers, paddlers, etc? I'm a young hunter, but as a matter of simple demographics, I wouldn't want to have to rely on recruiting new hunters to pay the bills. As you are right near Little Tupper (and Lila), I can see the place being quite appealing to non-hunters. Perhaps "hunting clubs" should become "outdoors clubs."

jan 05-10-2010 09:23 AM

I've never seen a hunting club that has a vacuum cleaner!

Wldrns 05-10-2010 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jan (Post 146163)
I've never seen a hunting club that has a vacuum cleaner!

I was thinking the same thing. But I see a sure sign that it is still a "man's" club though... as noted from the lack of curtains on the windows. :rolleyes:

Seriously, maybe the philosophy of the old style hunting club could be changing. My father hunted intently all of his life, and I certainly enjoyed the sport with him as well, but he was not a drinker or smoker or card player. And though not anti-ATV at the time in the early years, he didn't care for unnecessarily tearing up the terrain with machines either. That pretty much meant he was not interested in the club life. However, I've been hearing more about members of the hiking community looking into in joining these clubs, for the purpose of gaining hiking access to previously closed lands. Interesting concept methinks.

sp_nyp 05-10-2010 11:14 AM

Maybe you should have your members post information at their local rod & gun clubs?

I know the club in my hometown is trying to recruit as many younger people as possible. They seem to be doing an OK job at it. Last time I went to one of their trap league shoots, there was a fair number of younger people there.

It is all about passing on the legacy to your kids - if you don't have children, then your nieces, nephews and neighbors kids.

Before I had kids - and even now after I have kids, I offer to take my nephews up to camp every time I go.

My oldest daughter just turned three. I have already bought her a lifetime sportsman license - whether she fishes and hunts later in life is still unseen, but I can do my best to make the outdoors an enjoyable experience for her while she is a kid.

She already loves to go to camp. The black flies didn't even seem to phase her as she was having such a good time. I take her hiking at local state parks and fishing whenever I can. We look through pictures in outdoor orientated magazines.

If you want something out of your community you need to put something in first.

fisher39 05-10-2010 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sp_nyp (Post 146174)

My oldest daughter just turned three. I have already bought her a lifetime sportsman license - whether she fishes and hunts later in life is still unseen, but I can do my best to make the outdoors an enjoyable experience for her while she is a kid.

Man, I wish someone bought me a lifetime sportsman license when I was a kid! It is quite the bargain.

Adirondack Composer 05-11-2010 05:50 PM

Electric lights and receptacles throughout, television, computers, refrigerator, mattresses, vacumn cleaner...........no wonder you're having trouble getting hunters. Try advertising for city-slickers! (just kidding, of course...but it is surprising how tamed the "hunter" has become)

MDL23 05-11-2010 06:55 PM

I voted "no", it was more of a "I hope not" vote more than anything.

I agree with Composer - It was kind of funny to see the laptop computer on the table of camp, and I'm not sure I would enjoy camp as much without the propane lights.

Your camp does like very nice though, even with all of those high tech, new fangled electric lights.

-Matt

bobadkhunter 05-11-2010 07:55 PM

Beautiful looking modern camp. I have a older camp about 15 miles away from this one, mine has a vaccum and also has direct TV. You can be very comfortable today with a good generator. :)

duell79 05-12-2010 12:04 PM

Hi Everyone
 
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Thanks for all of your great post, it is nice to see people still enjoy the outdoors. As for the vacuum....lol. Our original cabin was built in 1971 and burned down in Oct 2006, we were insured and we rebuilt the cabin. It has many creature comforts, but we wanted to make it nice. Our members are proud of the cabin we built with our bare hands. We do have electricity via a generator but we also have gas lights and usually use them more....we get tired of the drone of a generator. It is just nice for us to have the option. We still have our original outhouse so we are not to comfortable though....lol As for some of the comments for other uses for the club we would be more than happy to have members that used it for hiking, fishing, kayaking. We are also directly on the main snowmobile trail system. It would make a great place as a basecamp for hikers, paddlers etc because of all of the lakes and state land right around us. If that may interest you contact me

bobrok 05-12-2010 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by fisher39 (Post 146153)
Just as a general question regarding hunting clubs, are they just for hunting, or might they appeal to other people - fishermen, birdwatchers, hikers, paddlers, etc? I'm a young hunter, but as a matter of simple demographics, I wouldn't want to have to rely on recruiting new hunters to pay the bills. As you are right near Little Tupper (and Lila), I can see the place being quite appealing to non-hunters. Perhaps "hunting clubs" should become "outdoors clubs."

Good point. Renaming them outdoors clubs would certainly create an air of non-exclusivity to them, but more importantly, they need to be promoted as such. I added my thoughts regarding clubs in the Private Clubs thread in a not-too-blatant (I hope) pseudo-troll for new members a while ago, but there wasn't much interest generated. I would think that's because this forum is more of a free-use-of-the-outdoors hiking, camping place of conversation than it is cabin-in-the-woods forum. I am not a hunter, hiker, climber, skiier, paddler or any of the things that this forum holds dear...yet. But I hope to begin enjoying these activities now that I am re-established back in the ADKS. I do find the conversations scintillating and that is why I read the forum so frequently. It is a connection back to my younger past that I am genuinely resurrecting now that I am approaching retirement and have more leisure time. The only reason I joined the BMLC is because after 7 years of heavy duty searching and many dead end trips to look at property I was able to latch onto a cabin with lake frontage in the remote outback and with no neighbors to speak of for a mere pittance of the going rate for such property; that is what I've been looking for as a getaway from work, from the city, from everything. I really don't care if I don't own the land. I feel as if I have a 5000 acre back yard now and all the freedom I wanted.

fisher39 05-12-2010 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bobrok (Post 146461)
Good point. Renaming them outdoors clubs would certainly create an air of non-exclusivity to them, but more importantly, they need to be promoted as such. I added my thoughts regarding clubs in the Private Clubs thread in a not-too-blatant (I hope) pseudo-troll for new members a while ago, but there wasn't much interest generated. I would think that's because this forum is more of a free-use-of-the-outdoors hiking, camping place of conversation than it is cabin-in-the-woods forum...

I remember that post! I'm glad to see these places are still around. I do a lot of hunting in the Adirondacks (pretty much every other weekend from the start of grouse season through November), but it really is just a small portion of what I do up in the Adirondacks. When I hear the term "hunting club" I get the impression that it is just something that would be of use during a relatively short part of the year, but the term "outdoors club" makes it sound like something that would be of use year round.

Even though I'm an avid hunter, I'd be much more likely to consider joining an "outdoors club" rather than a "hunting club." And of course there's all of the baggage that the term "hunting" and "hunters" carries for hunters and non-hunters alike.

bobrok 05-12-2010 02:27 PM

Not to mention the <groan> ATV rallies held there. Like my kindred bud chairrock said "like minded people...while paying the rent"
John I promise this is the last time I'll drag you into the conversation...promise XXX.

adkman12986 05-12-2010 03:50 PM

The term "hunting Club" has been around for hundreds of years and true that they give these clubs the impression that they are strickly used for hunting, many are just what you have mentioned. Clubs for many adventures.

Kraut 05-17-2010 02:25 PM

duell79,

I belong to a club that is part of the easement lands in the northern part of the park, although we have many of our own issue that we are wrestling with right now to secure the future of the club, for the most part our membership has been fairly strong. The club was incorporated in 1953, although the camp has been there in one form or another since at least 1909.

Many of the nearby clubs have their membership issues, mostly because they tended to be fairly tight-knit and did not recruit younger members (family or otherwise) as they got older, so as the older members passed on - entire generations were missing to keep recruitment going. Our membership is about 20 people, mostly middle-aged, but with a good mix of older and younger people too. For the most part, its comprised of families, with sons/grandsons becoming members as they get old enough

One other thing to mention was that although the club was strictly a hunting club in prior years where there was use for just the hunting season, it is somewhat more used nowdays, as we'll make a trip or 2 to fish, complete camp chores, hide from the wives, etc. every year.

and your outhouse looks a lot better than ours

http://www.315er.net/photo/data/561/medium/101_2293.JPG

dpc34 05-18-2010 08:11 AM

Lets start a thread on Hunting Camp Outhouses.....dave .... Glen, surprised you are having membership problems with your hunting camp. It is in a nice area and easy to get to. Have you seen anything going on across the street. I was the cabin on the right just befor you got to your old camp at Trophy Ridge.....good luck

chairrock 05-20-2010 08:57 AM

Minerva F&G Club is also looking for members. We have 2 camps, apprx. 500 square feet that will be for sale soon. Think less that $5000. We also have some camps that are looking for a few members, with each camp having its own fee structure.
Camps must have a minimum of six member paying $500 a year each for a total of $3000 a year. You may have less than 6 members but each camp is responsible for at least the $3000. If you have more than six each additional must pay the $500 also.
All of the camps are off the grid, some with generators, but most with just gas lites.

Think fishing, hunting,trapping, hiking, skiing,ATV,snowmobile,. Most of the sleds just use it a a base to hit the Long Lake- Newcomb trail. ATVs are restricted to main roads and most ppl don't have them.
We are 3 miles east of Long Lake on 28N.

PM for some phone numbers or to set up an appointment.

Fatarrow 06-08-2010 03:23 PM

bump

Ms Guided 06-21-2010 08:34 AM

I guess I'd need to know if this club welcomes WOMEN.

Thanks! :)

fvrwld 06-21-2010 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ms Guided (Post 149274)
I guess I'd need to know if this club welcomes WOMEN.

Thanks! :)

Exactly what what I was thinking.

Years ago I tried to join a hunting club near Elizabethtown and I was denied because I was a woman. I also tried to join a few rod and gun clubs (with sponsorship) near my home and was denied for the same reason. It doesn't seem to me that that is a good way to increase membership and participants in the sport.

Ms Guided 06-21-2010 11:38 AM

Thanks, Fvrwld! I was hoping that wasn't the case. A (woman)friend of mine is in a hunting club, but I think that is an exception rather than the rule. But I had to ask!

adkman12986 06-22-2010 05:47 PM

The Tupper Lake not only lets but encourages the ladies to join the club. More then often these ladies bring their kids. The kids are the future.

As far as hunting clubs there are very few that allow the ladies in during hunting season. Primarly to avoid issues with jealous spouces when they share bunk houses. although there are some that allow them to join at a discount because of this issue.

Little Rickie 09-11-2010 01:03 PM

Hunting Clubs! I love the idea but it may have to wait until college for my son is paid for.

thebluesman5748 09-11-2010 09:31 PM

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We have a hunting club in the Long Lake NY area and are in need of some members. It has been discouraging looking for members the last few years. It seems as though either people have a bad taste for hunting clubs because so many clubs have been forced out by recent state land purchases or the economy has affected hunters ablities to afford hunting clubs. l]

This is my hunting camp..... and I wouldn't have it any other way. Can you imagine walking into my elk tent and finding all those amenities shown in your camp. Then you'd go home and tell everyone about the awsome wilderness experience you encountered in the Big Woods..... So much for that...!

If you need those luxuries up in the big woods, then I think your missing the big picture... When you deal with "clubs"...your forced to deal with strangers and personalities. Now throw $500 a year into the mix and..., well, Need I say anymore.....???????

Your dilemma is unfortunate...but it's certainly not due to land exchanges.

I've tried for years now to re-establish a hunting "gang" for the backcountry, and my efforts were all fruitless. Again, personalities. Lots of inquiries with numerous different "opinions"..... Forget about it...

Cook some great meals on the wood stove or out over an open fire, pass the bottle of Jack Daniels around, belch and fart, tell lies, then go to bed... 4:00 A.M. comes early...and you don't have to worry about getting mud on the floor...

Bluesman

geogymn 09-11-2010 10:05 PM

Sweet!


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