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  • Neil
    Admin

    • May 2004
    • 6129

    #1

    Redfield and gastroenteritis.

    Dedicated to Skyclimber and Mike1889 who told me so...!

    After assembling the team via the forums and dozens of e-mails all seven of us made it to the Upper Works trailhead at 8:00 am Dec. 29. It took 45 mins. to get under way and we chewed up the 4.5 miles to Flowed Lands in pretty short order although we lost one of our members who, not feeling right, turned around after 1 ½ miles. We stopped at the first LT for a snack and then crossed Flowed Lands with only a little trepidation regarding the ice thickness. We heard a few booms but no cracking sounds. Once on the trail up the Opalescent we all started to feel our heavy winter packs and the pace slowed considerably during the 500-foot elevation gain over 1 ½ miles. I was starting to regret the 5 previous days of intense hockey games I’d been playing…
    Once at the LT we had to change over to day hiking mode, make more water and eat a bit. That sucked up close to an hour and our initial plan of doing Grey and Skylite was quickly jettisoned in favour of Redfield which had a freshly broken trail up it.

    It was close to 2:30 when we began the ascent and we topped out at about 4:15. I was totally beat climbing that mountain. I thought I was in pretty good shape but between the hockey, getting up at 4:00 that morning and the 7 miles/1500 feet elevation gain hike to the LT with heavy winter packs I really struggled to the top. After every minute of hiking I would stop and lean on my poles for about 20 secs. before continuing upwards. I was completely soaked with sweat. Finally, I got to the top where my 16-year-old son had been lounging in his down coat for 20 minutes after scampering up ahead of the rest of us old guys. There were no views and with the heavily overcast skies it was nearly dark. Even though I had dry gear in my pack I had no desire or energy to go to all the trouble of removing my pack and my clothing so I put on my hat and my headlamp and headed down, snowshoe skiing the steeper pitches. Dominic was long gone and was going to get some soup started, the others were a few minutes behind and I was nice and warm again so I slowed right down and enjoyed the experience. Off to the right was an unnamed mountain with beautiful ice covered cliffs that seemed to be glowing in the dying light and Uphill Brook was a soft white curving ribbon.

    Back at the LT Dominic had gotten water and was lighting the stove while I peeled off my base layer shirt that must have weighed a half pound. I hung it on a nail knowing it would be iron hard in moments and that I’d be carrying all that sweat out with me. For some reason I was feeling a little nauseous but I put that down to the fatigue and ate a bowl of soup. Then I started to feel really lousy and totally lost my appetite. I crawled into my bag with a major gut ache and listened to the others go through the evening meal ritual. I didn’t participate in the joking and bantering that I normally revel in. Someone asked me how I was doing and when I said I had a bad stomach it got real quiet for a few moments while this bit of news sunk in. At six everyone was in their bags and I was curled in a ball holding my stomach. From 6 until one am. I was back and forth from my bag to the outhouse completely emptying my digestive tract from both ends of all its contents. On a couple of occasions I didn’t make it that far. This was by far the most miserable night of my entire life. I kept wondering how I would have made it through the night if it had been 20 or 30 below. (It was about +15) The cramps and stabbing pains did not let up one bit and I was becoming very worried. What if I was even worse tomorrow? How was I going to get out to the car? Was this going to wreck the trip for everyone else? Etc. etc. I finally slept until 4 when a pine martin made a ruckus trying to open a bear canister. Doug chased it away and now everyone was awake.

    It was a beautiful moonlit morning with no clouds. Normally I would have sprung out of my bag and started making water and getting excited about the views from Skylite but I knew I was going nowhere but down today. My body had absorbed no nourishment since yesterday’s breakfast and I was totally dehydrated and feeling like ****. Fortunately, no one seemed to mind the extra sack time and I dozed off and on for the next 4 hours. By eight I was feeling almost human having gradually and tentatively rehydrated. The trip back was long and arduous between the stomach cramps, the weakness, fatigue etc. but I couldn’t help noticing what a gorgeous day it was and getting glimpses of Colden, Algonquin, Iroquois and a few others. Crossing Flowed Lands in brilliant sunshine was simply…brilliant! The car was a particularly welcome sight today.

    One thing I noticed on this trip. The people we met who were camping were not peakbagging. Conversely, the people we met who were peakbagging were not camping. All of us were novice winter peakbaggers and I think we underestimated the effort involved in hauling winter packs not to mention the logistics and time consuming nature of camping out with no fire or heat source. On the hike out we compared pros and cons of the long day trip vs. the overnight at great length. The final consensus was that the best way to winter peakbag would be to drive to near the trailhead the night before, stay at a motel and get a very early pre-dawn start.

    The best part of this trip was the company of an excellent bunch of guys half of who are new hiking friends! Thanks guys!
    The best, the most successful adventurer, is the one having the most fun.
  • Gandalf
    Member
    • Aug 2004
    • 116

    #2
    Oh man, that sounds awful Neil (I'm glad you got at least a few positives out of the hike though). Hope you're feeling better!
    "Gentlemen! There's no fighting in here, this is the War Room!"

    - from the movie Dr. Strangelove

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    • alistair
      Member
      • Nov 2003
      • 135

      #3
      Great trip report. I think you covered the whole trip. Thanks for the winter camping experience. I hope we can get together agen later this winter to bag Cliff and Marshall.

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      • alistair
        Member
        • Nov 2003
        • 135

        #4
        Re read your posting and realized you ommitted the saga of the MSR snowshoes. Does anyone want to start a seperate thread on this issue?

        Dick,
        I'm sorry you dropped out this drip. I'm sure you would have enjoyed the fellowship of this group. hope you can join us again.

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        • mike1889
          wish I was in the Adks
          • Nov 2003
          • 269

          #5
          Neil,

          Sorry you felt poorly, but at least you bagged one peak! Also doesn't mean you will feel poorly on future overnight peakbagging trips, if you try one again! I have felt similar to what you describe on a few long winter day hikes and it's not pleasant.

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          • adk-46r
            IT'S GRACE & CARSON PEAKS
            • Nov 2003
            • 179

            #6
            O K Alistair no one posted the story of the msr snowshoe. What's the scoop? I own a pair and I am happy with them; but I would like to know if ther are any potential problems to look for.
            IT IS NOT A PARK
            IT IS THE ADIRONDACKS
            I WAS BORN HERE
            IT IS MY HOME
            IT IS WHERE I WORK

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            • hillman1
              skiing demi-god
              • Nov 2003
              • 558

              #7
              My brand new never used pair of denali ascents broke on the right shoe, up on the right side of the toe scoop. The left one was fine. Another pair broke in the same area(also the 1st day of use) in the same spot. I believe Neil has the pictures. I just returned mine at EMS. No questions asked, but I did offer the story to the guy. I traded up to a pair of Atlas 1025's. They have not had any other pairs break, and the rep from MSR will be here next week for a demo, and will discuss it at green lakes near syracuse. The evo ascents did fine, as did an older pair of MSR's. I personally do not have much faith in MSR snowshoes right now. I certainly wouldn't trust them on an expedition type of trip. The guy tried to sell me a pair of MSR lightning ascents, but I opted not to get them from Chomps' report on vftt about do not buy them. I have used atlas 833's for about 7 years with no problems until the binding finally blew out last march on Seward, so I went with brand loyalty on this purchase. Msr has failed me twice now. The first time being my whisperlite stove in cold temps. I am interested in hearing how every one else fairs with thier MSR snowshoes this winter.

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              • Dick
                somewhere out there...
                • Jan 2004
                • 2821

                #8
                Neil,

                Wow, what a report! I can only imagine how you must have been feeling (though you described it quite eloquently!). Got your phone call (thanks). Though I appreciate your discretion in not using my name as the one who "copped out," it would have been perfectly OK to use it. Backing out for me, though relatively early in the game, was not a snap decision. This has happened only once before, and for similar reasons, coincidentally on the same trail and in search of Redfield. I was only with Joanne then, and she knew early on that my not being able to keep up with her was a sign of trouble!

                A number of things went through my mind:
                1.Since October I've been out of shape (my fault - too many hours behind a piano keyboard, I guess!), and I should have been more diligent here.
                2. I have never, ever, carried that much weight (somewhere between 50 and 60 lbs.), though I thought I had only what I needed
                3. My aging E-frame pack's hipbelt slips, and I was shouldering at least 90% of the weight. I realized this on the way out, as I hiked at a pace comparable to Neil's described ascent of Redfield.
                4. I was a slower hiker than the rest of the group.
                5. I was physically "off" that day (no other way to describe it).
                6. My knowledge of the area. I've been through there probably a dozen times, and once in the winter, with no problems whatsoever. However, given the above, and knowing what the rest of the trail was like (especially if a Flowed Lands crossing wasn't possible), I thought the best thing for me to do was to bag the trip.

                I appreciated the group's encouraging words and their willingness to go slower. But given the circumstances, I didn't want to hold the group back. I had mentioned at the outset that I would not be hiking all four planned peaks, and that I would probably only be able to do only Gray (not Skylight also) on the first day, and only Redfield (not Cliff also) on the second. Having done all of these peaks before as dayhikes (Gray both as a winter overnight and summer dayhike) - I knew, more or less, what was in store. I then thought, "how would bagging the trip adversely affect the group?" We had discussed common gear, and it turned out there was more "common gear" than needed, and that they were covered. I didn't mean to go on so about this, but it was not a light decision for me, and maybe it will serve as fodder for similar posts on this subject.

                One gets a "feel" for new hiking companions early on, and I felt disappointment that I could not continue, as this was one great group, without exception. Embarrassment, as this was not my usual style. Hope, that I would be able to hike with these guys in the future.

                Some questions:
                Was the high water crossing over Calamity Brook needed? (guessing not)
                Did you stop to view the Henderson Monument? (hope so)
                Was the ladder on the Opalescent an issue with snowshoes?
                You didn't mention tents or snow shelter (Doug?). Were you all in the lean-to?
                Was water a problem?
                Were crampons ever needed?
                Was route-finding a problem on Uphill Brook? How was walking in (on?) the brook?
                What was the MSR snowshoe story?

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                • Skyclimber
                  SAFE CLIMBING
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 1086

                  #9
                  I'm really sorry to hear you had a disasterous hike, but may I say a couple things:

                  Dick there is absolutely NO SHAME within turning back on a Winter Climb. You did very well in doing so, if you didn't think you had the strength or energy to do this. You made a wise decision, for had you of continued on, you would of put the WHOLE GROUP in danger and that wouldn't of been fair for any of you. Also Redfield is one handsome climb in Winter, it sure HECK isn't fun nor easy. Ask Neil I sent him a couple of my trip reports from many years ago.

                  Neil and Doug, I feel so bad for you. I thought about all of you today, when the rain started pouring down, thinking you were on a summit, feeling sorry for how wet and cold you must be, but also thought maybe it was snowing in the High Peaks.
                  Neil, You may find that you did have some dehydration within you. On some of those long, day hikes I would do, I would get sick to my stomache, get headaches, cramps etc., until I learned that I had to eat and drink more along the way. (Not incinuating that you didn't) Or you may find you have the start of that flu bug. I was happy to hear that you all at least got Redfield. That sure was worth the trip down there. "Another time will come for you to reach the summits."

                  Glad things worked out in the end.

                  Neil, What was this I told you so ? Mike 1889 and I was just pointing out that we preferred day hiking the Winter Peaks, verses sleeping in the cold, all night long, waiting for Pine Martins to make a ruckus over our bear canisters.

                  Your trip report is WONDERFUL, complete details and everything !
                  "It is easier to become a Forty-Sixer than to be one. The art of the being is to keep one's sense of wonder after the excitement of the game is over."

                  Paul Jamieson Class of '58

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                  • Skyclimber
                    SAFE CLIMBING
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 1086

                    #10
                    You can still get that same sense of the Winter Camping, by renting, JBL, Grace Camps or Peggy O'Briens.
                    "It is easier to become a Forty-Sixer than to be one. The art of the being is to keep one's sense of wonder after the excitement of the game is over."

                    Paul Jamieson Class of '58

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                    • Mavs00
                      I am the sith
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 46

                      #11
                      Sounds like a blast.

                      I was wondering how you guys made out, now I know. Glad you got to complete at least part of the plan before the Spla....... well, you know what I mean.
                      "I can feel your anger. It gives you focus. It makes you stronger. " Supreme Chancellor

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                      • whitelief
                        Member
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 13

                        #12
                        Defective Denalis

                        Having just bought a pair of the Lightning Ascents I hope the few bad vibes on MSRs won't include my new shoes. The few miles they have logged so far were great.

                        I was browsing around looking for some recent product reviews and came across this MSR recall, affecting a couple of Denali Ascent and Classics. The manufacture dates are somewhat distant but the recall dates back to October. News Link

                        Happy New Year.
                        --David

                        Find me during the day at www.bwglaw.com.

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                        • Neil
                          Admin

                          • May 2004
                          • 6129

                          #13
                          Last night Dominic came down with the same bug I had and spent his New Year's Eve much the same way I spent my night at the Uphill LT. I sure hope nobody else picked it up. Now I understand why I had such a hard time going up Redfield, I hadn't absorbed much nutrition all day. Good thing I at least guzzled honeyed tea all morning long.

                          And Skyclimber and Mike 1889 what I meant about you telling me so was about dayhiking versus camping and peakbagging. I'm not sure just yet how winter camping and winter climbing fit together. Perhaps if we had had several nights and day 1 was simply spent getting to the LT the heavy packs wouldn't have been such a burden. I've never winter camped without a fire before and the combination of that and the strenuous, sweaty climbing is indeed tricky. On winter camping trips in -40 I've carried a 30 lb pack, including food, for 5 days (no tent, no stove, no fuel, little clothing etc.). The fire of course makes all the difference.
                          Last edited by Neil; 01-01-2005, 03:08 PM.
                          The best, the most successful adventurer, is the one having the most fun.

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                          • hillman1
                            skiing demi-god
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 558

                            #14
                            I agree, a fire makes a huge difference when out in the cold. Not only does it supply warmth, it gives you something to do--getting it started, keeping it lit...I have to say though, that was the warmest I've ever slept out in the winter. The bivy sack and down jacket(and booties) made a huge difference. I still want to do the great range this winter.

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                            • Skyclimber
                              SAFE CLIMBING
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 1086

                              #15
                              Neil, I was just kidding you. I know what you meant.
                              "It is easier to become a Forty-Sixer than to be one. The art of the being is to keep one's sense of wonder after the excitement of the game is over."

                              Paul Jamieson Class of '58

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