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Well, I don't come here any more due to some folks attitudes here towards hunting and the snide comments that go with it but I thought in the interest of sharing information I'd post it here as well the board I'm trying to start which is "hunter friendly". ;-) All are still welcome at the other site which is at the bottom if this post.
If nothing else, email your representative regarding the ridiculous law about kids not being able to hunt until they are 16. Apparently Grannis thinks it should be lower as well, I don't agree with his number, but it's better than 16
I just thought that there may be some interest in a note I sent to Mr. Grannis and the reply that I received.
I applied for two doe licenses in a WMU 3F in Dutchess County, got one and one denied. But they said that there was a "First come first serve" sale of leftover permits on 11/1. I was there when the town hall opened on 11/1 and they had none. A friend of mine who had the same thing happen, received one and denied one, received an additional permit for the area in the mail. I didn't. He had no preference points.
So my questions to Commissioner Grannis were why were permits were mailed out to some people leaving none for the FCFS day and why they didn't have the FCFS day first and then after that mail out any additional permits that were available.
I also questioned why NYS has the ridiculous law of children not being able to hunt until they are 16 years old. Heck, by then they're lost to other things. Music, girls, "hanging out", etc....
Here is the reply that I received in the mail. I don't think that they grasped my thoughts on the DMPs so I'm going to politely reply and restate my thoughts but I appreciated the reply and it showed that at least they are read.
****** Begin what I received in "snail mail", any spelling errors are probably
due to my OTR scanning software *************
New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
Division of Fish, Wildlife & Marine Resources
Bureau of Wildlife, 5th Floor Alexander B. Grannis
625 Broadway, Albany, New York 12233-4754 Commissioner
Phone: (518) 402-8919 • FAX: (518) 402-9027
Website: www.dec.ny.gov
November 27, 2007
Mr. Steve Calvin
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Poughkeepsie, NY 12601
Dear Mr. Calvin: -
Commissioner Grannis asked me to reply to your recent email about deer hunting in New York, and the issuance of deer management permits. Thank you for contacting us.
As you know, the issuance of deer management permits (DMPs) is necessary to properly manage the deer herd. We establish population objectives for each wildlife management unit (WMU) based on the habitat and land use conditions for each area. With this information combined with past hunting trends, we estimate the number of DMPs needed each year to achieve our population objectives.
From this analysis, we determine a “probability” for the issuance of a DMP whenever a hunter applies for a permit. Our system automatically prioritizes applicants depending on the following criteria (in order of highest preference followed by lowest):
• An applicant (resident or nonresident) with three or more preference points.
• Persons who own 50 or more acres of land in the WMU where a permit is sought, or disabled
veterans.
• Residents with up to two preference points.
• Residents without a preference point.
• Nonresidents with up to two preference points.
• Nonresidents without a preference point.
In some WMUs, we may find that we did not issue enough permits to meet our overall management objectives despite the fact that some applicants were originally denied a permit in the first place. (This may happen if, for example, we inaccurately estimated the number of people who would apply for a DMP in the first place.) In this case, we will go back into our pool of applicants who were
originally denied a DMP and run the selection system again, using the same criteria as noted above.
In WMU 3F, all landowners and residents with preference points (applicants who did not receive their first choice DMPs in the initial application period), and 28% of residents with no preference points (applicants who received their first choice DMP in the initial application period) were selected and
mailed permits.
The so-called “first come, first serve” application period is restricted to WMUs with “leftover” DMPs. WMU 3F was not opened up to the “first come, first serve” system despite what you were told by another person.
We do work hard to make sure the DMP application and issuance procedures are both fair and reasonable, and above all, consistent with our laws and regulations. I realize that you are disappointed but I am glad you did receive one DMP for WMU 3F and I certainly wish you the best of success hunting
this year.
You also asked about allowing young people to hunt deer prior to age 16. As you may know, New York State currently has the most restrictive laws about the age when children may first go deerhunting. Our Department has consistently supported legislation to allow young people to hunt beginning at age 14 for deer. This does require a change in the law, and we look forward to working with policy
makers in the State Legislature during the upcoming legislative session to address this problem. We believe that this is not only the right thing to do (for children and families), it is also an important issue for the future of deer management.
Deer hunters are our deer managers. We rely heavily on deer hunters to maintain deer populations in proper balance with their environment. Yet, the number of deer hunters in New York has been declining steadily. I recently looked at some survey data that showed that the average age of the New York deer hunter is now 51 years old, an increase from the average age of 41 years old in 1989. If this trend continues, there is a good chance that there will not be enough deer hunters to properly manage the deer herd in the future. We are hopeful that we can bolster hunter recruitment by allowing children to begin hunting at a younger age. Thank you for your support of this critical issue, and I strongly encourage you to let your elected representatives know how you feel.
Thanks again for writing, and I wish you the best of success this fall and winter as you spend time afield in the great outdoors.
Sincerely,
Gordon R. Batcheller
Section Head
If nothing else, email your representative regarding the ridiculous law about kids not being able to hunt until they are 16. Apparently Grannis thinks it should be lower as well, I don't agree with his number, but it's better than 16
I just thought that there may be some interest in a note I sent to Mr. Grannis and the reply that I received.
I applied for two doe licenses in a WMU 3F in Dutchess County, got one and one denied. But they said that there was a "First come first serve" sale of leftover permits on 11/1. I was there when the town hall opened on 11/1 and they had none. A friend of mine who had the same thing happen, received one and denied one, received an additional permit for the area in the mail. I didn't. He had no preference points.
So my questions to Commissioner Grannis were why were permits were mailed out to some people leaving none for the FCFS day and why they didn't have the FCFS day first and then after that mail out any additional permits that were available.
I also questioned why NYS has the ridiculous law of children not being able to hunt until they are 16 years old. Heck, by then they're lost to other things. Music, girls, "hanging out", etc....
Here is the reply that I received in the mail. I don't think that they grasped my thoughts on the DMPs so I'm going to politely reply and restate my thoughts but I appreciated the reply and it showed that at least they are read.
****** Begin what I received in "snail mail", any spelling errors are probably
due to my OTR scanning software *************
New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
Division of Fish, Wildlife & Marine Resources
Bureau of Wildlife, 5th Floor Alexander B. Grannis
625 Broadway, Albany, New York 12233-4754 Commissioner
Phone: (518) 402-8919 • FAX: (518) 402-9027
Website: www.dec.ny.gov
November 27, 2007
Mr. Steve Calvin
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Poughkeepsie, NY 12601
Dear Mr. Calvin: -
Commissioner Grannis asked me to reply to your recent email about deer hunting in New York, and the issuance of deer management permits. Thank you for contacting us.
As you know, the issuance of deer management permits (DMPs) is necessary to properly manage the deer herd. We establish population objectives for each wildlife management unit (WMU) based on the habitat and land use conditions for each area. With this information combined with past hunting trends, we estimate the number of DMPs needed each year to achieve our population objectives.
From this analysis, we determine a “probability” for the issuance of a DMP whenever a hunter applies for a permit. Our system automatically prioritizes applicants depending on the following criteria (in order of highest preference followed by lowest):
• An applicant (resident or nonresident) with three or more preference points.
• Persons who own 50 or more acres of land in the WMU where a permit is sought, or disabled
veterans.
• Residents with up to two preference points.
• Residents without a preference point.
• Nonresidents with up to two preference points.
• Nonresidents without a preference point.
In some WMUs, we may find that we did not issue enough permits to meet our overall management objectives despite the fact that some applicants were originally denied a permit in the first place. (This may happen if, for example, we inaccurately estimated the number of people who would apply for a DMP in the first place.) In this case, we will go back into our pool of applicants who were
originally denied a DMP and run the selection system again, using the same criteria as noted above.
In WMU 3F, all landowners and residents with preference points (applicants who did not receive their first choice DMPs in the initial application period), and 28% of residents with no preference points (applicants who received their first choice DMP in the initial application period) were selected and
mailed permits.
The so-called “first come, first serve” application period is restricted to WMUs with “leftover” DMPs. WMU 3F was not opened up to the “first come, first serve” system despite what you were told by another person.
We do work hard to make sure the DMP application and issuance procedures are both fair and reasonable, and above all, consistent with our laws and regulations. I realize that you are disappointed but I am glad you did receive one DMP for WMU 3F and I certainly wish you the best of success hunting
this year.
You also asked about allowing young people to hunt deer prior to age 16. As you may know, New York State currently has the most restrictive laws about the age when children may first go deerhunting. Our Department has consistently supported legislation to allow young people to hunt beginning at age 14 for deer. This does require a change in the law, and we look forward to working with policy
makers in the State Legislature during the upcoming legislative session to address this problem. We believe that this is not only the right thing to do (for children and families), it is also an important issue for the future of deer management.
Deer hunters are our deer managers. We rely heavily on deer hunters to maintain deer populations in proper balance with their environment. Yet, the number of deer hunters in New York has been declining steadily. I recently looked at some survey data that showed that the average age of the New York deer hunter is now 51 years old, an increase from the average age of 41 years old in 1989. If this trend continues, there is a good chance that there will not be enough deer hunters to properly manage the deer herd in the future. We are hopeful that we can bolster hunter recruitment by allowing children to begin hunting at a younger age. Thank you for your support of this critical issue, and I strongly encourage you to let your elected representatives know how you feel.
Thanks again for writing, and I wish you the best of success this fall and winter as you spend time afield in the great outdoors.
Sincerely,
Gordon R. Batcheller
Section Head
