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  • brians
    Member
    • Jul 2006
    • 19

    #1

    NY detachable magazine semi-auto ban

    Pulled this off 24HourCampfire.com forum. How close are you guys to losing your 10-22's? I hope this meets an early legislative death, rather then spreading.

    S T A T E O F N E W Y O R K
    __________________________________________________ ______________________

    7331

    2007-2008 Regular Sessions

    I N A S S E M B L Y

    April 10, 2007
    ___________

    Introduced by M. of A. TITONE, KOON, LAFAYETTE, COOK -- Multi-Sponsored
    by -- M. of A. BOYLAND, GLICK, D. GORDON, GOTTFRIED, MAYERSOHN, PERRY
    -- read once and referred to the Committee on Codes

    AN ACT to amend the penal law and the general business law, in relation
    to banning the possession, sale or manufacture of assault weapons and
    to repeal subdivision 22 of section 265.00 of the penal law relating
    thereto

    THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK, REPRESENTED IN SENATE AND ASSEM-
    BLY, DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

    1 Section 1. The New York state legislature finds that semi-automatic
    2 assault weapons are military-style guns designed to allow rapid and
    3 accurate spray firing for the quick and efficient killing of humans. The
    4 shooter can simply point - as opposed to carefully aim - the weapon to
    5 quickly spray a wide area with a hail of bullets. Gun manufacturers have
    6 for many years made, marketed and sold to civilians semi-automatic
    7 versions of military assault weapons designed with features specifically
    8 intended to increase lethality for military applications. As a result,
    9 approximately 2,000,000 assault weapons are currently in circulation in
    10 the United States. These weapons have been the weapon of choice in the
    11 most notorious mass shootings of innocent civilians in the United
    12 States, including the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School (TEC-DC9
    13 assault pistol and Hi-Point Carbine) and the 2002 Washington, D.C.-area
    14 sniper shootings (Bushmaster XM15 assault rifle). According to FBI data,
    15 between 1998 and 2001, one in five law enforcement officers slain in the
    16 line of duty was killed with an assault weapon. In 2003, New York lost
    17 two of its finest when undercover officers in the elite Firearms Inves-
    18 tigation Unit of the NYPD Organized Crime Control Bureau were brutally
    19 murdered while attempting to purchase an illegal TEC-9 semi-automatic
    20 assault weapon. The availability of military-style assault weapons poses
    21 a serious threat to the public health and safety. Most citizens, includ-

    EXPLANATION--Matter in ITALICS (underscored) is new; matter in brackets
    { } is old law to be omitted.
    LBD05833-01-7

    A. 7331 2

    1 ing most gun owners, believe that assault weapons should not be avail-
    2 able for civilian use.
    3 S 2. Subdivision 22 of section 265.00 of the penal law is REPEALED and
    4 a new subdivision 22 is added to read as follows:
    5 22. "ASSAULT WEAPON" MEANS ANY:
    6 (A) SEMI-AUTOMATIC OR PUMP-ACTION RIFLE THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO
    7 ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AND HAS ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING:
    8 (I) A PISTOL GRIP;
    9 (II) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
    10 NON-TRIGGER HAND;
    11 (III) A FOLDING, TELESCOPING OR THUMBHOLE STOCK;
    12 (IV) A SHROUD ATTACHED TO THE BARREL, OR THAT PARTIALLY OR COMPLETELY
    13 ENCIRCLES THE BARREL, ALLOWING THE BEARER TO HOLD THE FIREARM WITH THE
    14 NON-TRIGGER HAND WITHOUT BEING BURNED, BUT EXCLUDING A SLIDE THAT
    15 ENCLOSES THE BARREL; OR
    16 (V) A MUZZLE BRAKE OR MUZZLE COMPENSATOR;
    17 (B) SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL, OR ANY SEMI-AUTOMATIC, CENTERFIRE RIFLE
    18 WITH A FIXED MAGAZINE, THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT MORE THAN TEN
    19 ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION;
    20 (C) SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE
    21 MAGAZINE AND HAS ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING:
    22 (I) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
    23 NON-TRIGGER HAND;
    24 (II) A FOLDING, TELESCOPING OR THUMBHOLE STOCK;
    25 (III) A SHROUD ATTACHED TO THE BARREL, OR THAT PARTIALLY OR COMPLETELY
    26 ENCIRCLES THE BARREL, ALLOWING THE BEARER TO HOLD THE FIREARM WITH THE
    27 NON-TRIGGER HAND WITHOUT BEING BURNED, BUT EXCLUDING A SLIDE THAT
    28 ENCLOSES THE BARREL;
    29 (IV) A MUZZLE BRAKE OR MUZZLE COMPENSATOR; OR
    30 (V) THE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AT ANY LOCATION
    31 OUTSIDE OF THE PISTOL GRIP;
    32 (D) SEMI-AUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT HAS ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING:
    33 (I) A PISTOL GRIP OR A VERTICAL HANDGRIP;
    34 (II) A FOLDING, TELESCOPING OR THUMBHOLE STOCK;
    35 (III) A FIXED MAGAZINE CAPACITY IN EXCESS OF FIVE ROUNDS; OR
    36 (IV) AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE;
    37 (E) SHOTGUN WITH A REVOLVING CYLINDER;
    38 (F) CONVERSION KIT, PART, OR COMBINATION OF PARTS, FROM WHICH AN
    39 ASSAULT WEAPON CAN BE ASSEMBLED IF THOSE PARTS ARE IN THE POSSESSION OR
    40 UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE SAME PERSON; OR
    41 (G) MODIFICATIONS OF SUCH FEATURES, OR OTHER FEATURES, DETERMINED BY
    42 RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE SUPERINTENDENT OF STATE POLICE TO BE
    43 PARTICULARLY SUITABLE FOR MILITARY AND NOT SPORTING PURPOSES. IN ADDI-
    44 TION, THE SUPERINTENDENT OF STATE POLICE SHALL, BY RULES AND REGU-
    45 LATIONS, DESIGNATE SPECIFIC SEMIAUTOMATIC CENTERFIRE OR RIMFIRE RIFLES
    46 OR SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUNS, IDENTIFIED BY MAKE, MODEL AND MANUFACTURER`S
    47 NAME, TO BE WITHIN THE DEFINITION OF ASSAULT WEAPON, IF THE SUPERINTEN-
    48 DENT OF STATE POLICE DETERMINES THAT SUCH WEAPONS ARE PARTICULARLY SUIT-
    49 ABLE FOR MILITARY AND NOT SPORTING PURPOSES. A LIST OF ASSAULT WEAPONS,
    50 AS DETERMINED BY THE SUPERINTENDENT OF STATE POLICE, SHALL BE MADE
    51 AVAILABLE ON A REGULAR BASIS TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
    52 PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT SUCH TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY WEAPON THAT HAS
    53 BEEN RENDERED PERMANENTLY INOPERABLE.
    54 S 3. Section 265.00 of the penal law is amended by adding three new
    55 subdivisions 24, 25 and 26 to read as follows:

    A. 7331 3

    1 24. "DETACHABLE MAGAZINE" MEANS ANY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE, THE
    2 FUNCTION OF WHICH IS TO DELIVER ONE OR MORE AMMUNITION CARTRIDGES INTO
    3 THE FIRING CHAMBER, WHICH CAN BE REMOVED FROM THE FIREARM WITHOUT THE
    4 USE OF ANY TOOL, INCLUDING A BULLET OR AMMUNITION CARTRIDGE.
    5 25. "MUZZLE BRAKE" MEANS A DEVICE ATTACHED TO THE MUZZLE OF A WEAPON
    6 THAT UTILIZES ESCAPING GAS TO REDUCE RECOIL.
    7 26. "MUZZLE COMPENSATOR" MEANS A DEVICE ATTACHED TO THE MUZZLE OF A
    8 WEAPON THAT UTILIZES ESCAPING GAS TO CONTROL MUZZLE MOVEMENT.
    9 S 4. Section 265.20 of the penal law is amended by adding a new subdi-
    10 vision d to read as follows:
    11 D. POSSESSION OF AN ASSAULT WEAPON ON PROPERTY OWNED OR IMMEDIATELY
    12 CONTROLLED BY THE PERSON, OR WHILE ON THE PREMISES OF A LICENSED
    13 GUNSMITH FOR THE PURPOSE OF LAWFUL REPAIR, OR WHILE ENGAGED IN THE LEGAL
    14 USE OF THE ASSAULT WEAPON AT A DULY LICENSED FIRING RANGE, OR WHILE
    15 TRAVELING TO OR FROM THESE LOCATIONS, BY A PERSON WHO LAWFULLY POSSESSED
    16 SUCH WEAPON PRIOR TO JANUARY FIRST, TWO THOUSAND EIGHT AND WHO, PRIOR TO
    17 APRIL FIRST, TWO THOUSAND EIGHT:
    18 1. RENDERS THE ASSAULT WEAPON PERMANENTLY INOPERABLE; OR
    19 2. SURRENDERS THE ASSAULT WEAPON TO THE APPROPRIATE LAW ENFORCEMENT
    20 AGENCY AS PROVIDED FOR IN SUBPARAGRAPH (F) OF PARAGRAPH ONE OF SUBDIVI-
    21 SION A OF THIS SECTION; OR
    22 3. REGISTERS THE ASSAULT WEAPON AS PROVIDED FOR IN SUBDIVISION SEVEN
    23 OF SECTION THREE HUNDRED NINETY-SIX-FF OF THE GENERAL BUSINESS LAW.
    24 S 5. Subdivision 7 of section 396-ff of the general business law is
    25 renumbered subdivision 8 and a new subdivision 7 is added to read as
    26 follows:
    27 (7) THE DIVISION OF STATE POLICE SHALL NO LATER THAN JANUARY FIRST,
    28 TWO THOUSAND EIGHT, PROMULGATE RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR THE ADDITION OF
    29 INFORMATION IDENTIFYING ASSAULT WEAPONS LAWFULLY POSSESSED PRIOR TO
    30 JANUARY FIRST, TWO THOUSAND EIGHT TO THE DATABANK ESTABLISHED BY THIS
    31 SECTION. SUCH RULES AND REGULATIONS SHALL, AT A MINIMUM, SPECIFY PROCE-
    32 DURES BY WHICH THE OWNER OF AN ASSAULT WEAPON LAWFULLY POSSESSED PRIOR
    33 TO JANUARY FIRST, TWO THOUSAND EIGHT IS TO DELIVER AN ASSAULT WEAPON AND
    34 VERIFICATION OF A BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIRED BY 18 USC S 922 TO THE
    35 REGIONAL PROGRAM FOR TESTING AND PROMPT RETURN. UPON RECEIPT OF THE
    36 SEALED CONTAINER AND INSPECTION OF A CERTIFICATE PROVING THAT A BACK-
    37 GROUND CHECK HAS BEEN CONDUCTED AND THE OWNER IS NOT PROHIBITED FROM
    38 POSSESSING A FIREARM, THE DIVISION OF STATE POLICE SHALL CAUSE TO BE
    39 ENTERED IN THE AUTOMATED ELECTRONIC DATABANK PERTINENT DATA, INCLUDING
    40 BALLISTIC INFORMATION RELEVANT TO IDENTIFICATION OF THE SHELL CASING AND
    41 TO THE ASSAULT WEAPON FROM WHICH IT WAS DISCHARGED, AND THE DATE AND
    42 PLACE OF THE BACKGROUND CHECK AND THE NAME OF THE INDIVIDUAL WHO
    43 CONDUCTED SUCH BACKGROUND CHECK.
    44 S 6. Severability. If any provision or term of this act is for any
    45 reason declared unconstitutional or invalid or ineffective by any court
    46 of competent jurisdiction, such decision shall not affect the validity
    47 or the effectiveness of the remaining portions of this act or any part
    48 thereof.
    49 S 7. This act shall take effect January 1, 2008.
    _________________________
  • ken999
    Member
    • Apr 2004
    • 957

    #2
    Agreed Brian...let's hope this one gets whacked too...thanks for posting.

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    • Hugh
      Member
      • Feb 2005
      • 203

      #3
      Originally posted by hobbitling
      oh good grief, not another one of these threads.
      This is the hunting and fishing section of the site,which means we share information,including laws that may affect our chosen sports,if for some reason you find this offensive or cant contribute anything of even minor importance perhaps you shouldnt stray to far from the bunny huggin section of the site. Brian thanks for posting I had no idea they were trying to pass a law such as this,do you know by any chance if Grannis had anything to do with its introduction? Hugh

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      • ADMINISTRATOR
        Big Cheese
        • Nov 2006
        • 36

        #4
        The topic of this thread is perfectly fine, as long as it stays civil and focused on the Adirondacks. If anyone has a problem with any post or any thread, please report it to one of the moderators.
        "Play nice Boys & Girls"

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        • Adirondack_hunter
          Southern Adirondack Hunter
          • Feb 2007
          • 296

          #5
          Originally posted by hobbitling
          oh good grief, not another one of these threads.

          Not another guy who could care less. Hugh is right.... Honestly, like your mother said, "If you have nothing good to say, shut your mouth!"
          This is not an anti-hunting/ anti-gun section of the forums. If you would kindly notice, it says hunting and fishing. Not save this and that but kill the black fly!
          If this type of behavior is continued the administration will kindly deal with you, as some of us have been assured already.

          To Brians,
          Thanks for posting the information. I'll be sure to contact several of our legislators. I usually don't miss this stuff but I had in this instance. Once again, thanks.
          "Every piece of venison I eat reminds me of my forefathers and the joy the whitetail brought to them"
          -- Adkhunter
          Adkhunter Reflective Arrow Wraps
          Rockclimbing.com NY Route Editor

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          • trouthunter
            Member
            • Oct 2005
            • 788

            #6
            Originally posted by hobbitling
            oh good grief, not another one of these threads.
            Its kinda like radio, dont like what your hearing then change the station!

            Great thread,good info. thanks for posting this Brian!
            " A Trout is just too damn valuable to be caught only once."
            Lee Wulff

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            • SLJames
              Native Species
              • May 2006
              • 85

              #7
              Originally posted by hobbitling
              oh good grief, not another one of these threads.
              I think it is very poor form to attack this thread this way. Then again, I am just a hiker and hunter and Adirondacker so I probably don't know much anyway.

              If there were a bill limiting the types of soles you could have on your boots on state land, the thread would be 14 pages long by now...

              Thanks for the info Brian.

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              • Hobbitling
                spring fever
                • May 2006
                • 2239

                #8
                I got my warning, point noted, post deleted. I wasnt really questioning the appropriateness of the thread, or even taking sides about the bill, just predicting the ugly direction these threads tend to move. A self fulfilling prophecy as it turns out. Sorry. If you cant stand disagreement, dont start a debate. I'm sure this thread will reach epic size. As for me, the radio metaphor sounds like a good idea. carry on.
                He found himself wondering at times, especially in the autumn, about the wild lands, and strange visions of mountains that he had never seen came into his dreams.

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                • redhawk
                  Senior Resident Curmudgeon
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 10929

                  #9
                  I think we should make a "treaty".

                  We won't comment adversly on the threads about guns and legislation in the huntinf section.

                  an return, the gun people agree not to talk about killing and shooting in the wildlife section as a solution to everything.

                  is that fair?

                  Please understand, I am serious, this is not sarcasm, cynicism or anything else.

                  Deal??
                  "If future generations are to remember us with gratitude rather than contempt, we must leave them more than the miracles of technology. We must leave them a glimpse of the world as it was in the beginning, not just after we got through with it." Lyndon B. Johnson

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                  • Dick
                    somewhere out there...
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 2821

                    #10
                    Everyone...back on topic please.

                    Dick

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                    • GW
                      Member
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 32

                      #11
                      According to this proposed legislation...
                      (D) SEMI-AUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT HAS ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING:
                      (I) A PISTOL GRIP OR A VERTICAL HANDGRIP;


                      This "Turkey Gun" is an Assualt Gun



                      Guns dont kill People...People kill People
                      Even loaded guns never fire a shot at a person without someone touching it.
                      Ban everything thats ever killed anyone...what would there be left?
                      Oh Yeah...dont leave out natural occurences like "Lightening", "Floods", "Fires", etc...


                      Redhawk, I am just as serious...
                      "Treaties" are asked for by people who want control over other people and they want the other people to give up something....like thier "Rights".
                      I am personally involved in "Wildlife" management.
                      I dont believe that killing and shooting is the answer to everything.
                      I do believe that when used in a responsible manner "Killing and Shooting" is a management tool....guns are very much like any other tool used to accomplish a task...even on some "Adirondack Wildlife".

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                      • Little Rickie
                        Member
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 1564

                        #12
                        (I) A PISTOL GRIP OR A VERTICAL HANDGRIP;[/i]

                        First let me state I don't have a problem with guns.

                        When I flip through gun magizines there does seem to be an extreemly wide variety of guns. Some of them do seem a little extreem, cool, but a little much. I'm not saying that is bad, it's just some just don't seem that practical. Is this a collection of unique weapons thing and they are fun to shoot or do people really feel they need these.

                        BTW What's the problem with a pistol grip or a vertical handgrip?
                        Let there be peace on earth and good will toward all.

                        "One touch of nature makes the whole world kin."

                        William Shakespeare

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                        • trouthunter
                          Member
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 788

                          #13
                          Originally posted by GW
                          According to this proposed legislation...
                          (D) SEMI-AUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT HAS ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING:
                          (I) A PISTOL GRIP OR A VERTICAL HANDGRIP;


                          This "Turkey Gun" is an Assualt Gun



                          Guns dont kill People...People kill People
                          Even loaded guns never fire a shot at a person without someone touching it.
                          Ban everything thats ever killed anyone...what would there be left?
                          Oh Yeah...dont leave out natural occurences like "Lightening", "Floods", "Fires", etc...


                          Redhawk, I am just as serious...
                          "Treaties" are asked for by people who want control over other people and they want the other people to give up something....like thier "Rights".
                          I am personally involved in "Wildlife" management.
                          I dont believe that killing and shooting is the answer to everything.
                          I do believe that when used in a responsible manner "Killing and Shooting" is a management tool....guns are very much like any other tool used to accomplish a task...even on some "Adirondack Wildlife".
                          Good point GW! We dont need a treaty just play by the rules of the forum and respect others.

                          I think its ridiculous that because a semi auto shotgun has a pistol grip or vertical handgrip it gets called a assault weapon. What you cant assault someone without a pistol grip? Its gotten so ridiculous it makes me chuckle at the stupidity. I feel compelled to write some of our legislators and would encourage all of you "gun people" (as some call us) to do the same.
                          " A Trout is just too damn valuable to be caught only once."
                          Lee Wulff

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                          • redhawk
                            Senior Resident Curmudgeon
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 10929

                            #14
                            Originally posted by GW
                            Redhawk, I am just as serious...
                            "Treaties" are asked for by people who want control over other people and they want the other people to give up something....like thier "Rights"
                            You understand that you are explaining to an Indian about Treaties, right??
                            "If future generations are to remember us with gratitude rather than contempt, we must leave them more than the miracles of technology. We must leave them a glimpse of the world as it was in the beginning, not just after we got through with it." Lyndon B. Johnson

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                            • St.Regis
                              Member
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 1600

                              #15
                              I contacted my Assemblymember...they shouldn't be paid for doing nothing

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