"Little Tupper" Strain of Trout.

[redhawk]

What does anyone know about this? It's in the phamplet for the William C. Whitney Wilderness.

"Little Tupper Lake is the home on a genetically unigue "heritage" strain of brook trout. Along with a variety of native minnows, the population of the Little Tupper Lake strain are the direct descendants of the first trout to have reached the lake when the glaciers receded about 12000 year ago (Fred and Barney trout?). The Whitney family successfully prevented the introduction of predatory and competing non-native fish species such as smallmouth bass, northern pike and yellow perch. Consequently, Little Tupper Lake may be the largest lake in the eastern United States with it's original strain of trout."

"Two other lakes within the William C Whitney Wilderness harbot the Little Tupper Strain: Rock Pond and Bum Pond. Lillypad Pond and Little Salmon Lake support brook trout, but not the Little Tupper Lake strain."

[sacco]

i dunno, seems a little sketchy to me.

[redhawk]

i dunno, seems a little sketchy to me.

Bears (no pun intended) looking into?

[Woodspirit]

Little Tupper strain

Additional information can be found in DEC's Unit Management Plan for this area at http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/d...g5/whitney.pdf

It has been awhile since I read it but as I recall, the density of the trout population seemed pretty thin.

Woodspirit

[sacco]

good info wood

[ken999]

I have been told that we have three native strains of Brookies left... Windfall, Horn Lake and Little Tupper.

[ken999]

...make that four...there is the Nate Pond strain also...

[Creekwader]

I have the information at home but off the top of my head there are:
Little Tupper
Windfall(Franklin Cty)
Windfall(near Big Moose)
Horn Lake
Stink Lake
Nate Pond
Dix Pond
Honnedaga Lake

There are one or two in the Catskills too, can't remember their names.

[protocoldroid]

Very interesting.... Alas this isn't an adirondack fish (although at least one was collected in lake george in 1903), anyhow... My parents have a summer home on Lake Sunapee in New Hampshire. Which is the namesake, but no longer the home, of the "Sunapee Trout" or "blueback trout". Seems that they're all but entirely gone anywhere. My parents didn't even know of it until I mentioned it a couple months back after reading about it online.

Sunapee Trout Species Fact Sheet From USGS
Reports of where the species was found from USGS
Rendering of the Sunpee Trout from troutsite.com

And to stay on topic.... here's a DEC Press Release from 1998 found with a google search that mentions the tupper-specific strain of brookies. And also reminds people to catch and release, don't let it be the next sunapee trout :P

[pondhopper]

I have the information at home but off the top of my head there are:
Little Tupper
Windfall(Franklin Cty)
Windfall(near Big Moose)
Horn Lake
Stink Lake
Nate Pond
Dix Pond
Honnedaga Lake

There are one or two in the Catskills too, can't remember their names.

Incorrect, the Windfall strain of Franklin County qualifies, but the one near Big Moose does not. There is also a rarely mentioned strain that starts with "T" but I'm not going to say (clue= tree).

[Creekwader]

Incorrect, the Windfall strain of Franklin County qualifies, but the one near Big Moose does not. There is also a rarely mentioned strain that starts with "T" but I'm not going to say (clue= tree).

Re: Windfall: Really? all the literature I have says 2 windfalls.
Re: Tree Strain: I thought that one was extinct? At the Brook trout seminar a couple years back, Bill Gordon of region 6 dec told the story about how they netted that pond in the early 90's and he caught one big trout. The next year they netted it and caught nothing so he surmised that he caught the last known Tree strain trout. He said a combination of poachers and acidity put the final nails in the coffin.

[ken999]

...if so they have yet to take it off the "unfishable" list...if I'm thinking of the same pond you fellas are.

[pondhopper]

Re: Windfall: Really? all the literature I have says 2 windfalls.
Re: Tree Strain: I thought that one was extinct? At the Brook trout seminar a couple years back, Bill Gordon of region 6 dec told the story about how they netted that pond in the early 90's and he caught one big trout. The next year they netted it and caught nothing so he surmised that he caught the last known Tree strain trout. He said a combination of poachers and acidity put the final nails in the coffin.

You're right about the "T" strain being extinct. Actually, you could be right about the Windfall strain- I was going by word of a couple bioligists.

Ken- you can always "catch & release"; I heard the DEC netted HUGE ones out of it recently.

[ken999]

After a little fact finding mission...

The "T" strain is gone due to overfishing and acidity...

The status of the Stink Lake strain is unknown....

The Windfall (Big Moose) strain is in jeopardy due to competing species and a declining trout population.

Not good....

[torniala]

Anyone know where to find photos/identification info for these native strains?