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  • twochordcool
    • Oct 2005
    • 627

    #1

    Massive Development Proposal at the Park Agency Threatens the Ecological Integrity...

    ...and Wild Character of the Adirondack Park

    From the Adirondack Council website:

    Your Help Needed Today!

    In its final meeting before Governor Spitzer took office, the Adirondack Park Agency (APA) announced that they would initiate the public hearing processes which will culminate in the issuance or denial of a permit for the massive "Adirondack Club and Resort" (ACR) project in Tupper Lake. The ACR, proposed by a group called Preserve Associates, would develop 6,400 acres of land previously owned by the Oval Wood Dish Company. This project is one of the largest development proposals inside the Park since the establishment of the APA.

    ACR would include approximately 700 living units. Twenty-four of these units would be "great camp lots" consisting of 50 or more acres each. In addition, the mega-proposal includes a marina, a shooting school, and the revitalization of the existing local ski slope.

    The Adirondack Council firmly supports the town of Tupper Lake's desire to reopen the ski area, revitalize the downtown, encourage economic development, and maintain its working forest. But this project would not accomplish any of these goals. Instead, it will have the opposite effect. The Council's principal concerns are fragmentation of the backcountry and disruption of wildlife habitat, negative impacts to water quality, and visual impacts from upland development.


    Impacts on the Park:

    Backcountry Fragmentation

    The "great camp lots" will fragment hundreds of acres of intact forest lands with roads, driveways and houses. Recent studies by the Wildlife Conservation Society explain the negative impacts of rural sprawl in the Adirondacks and the need to reduce the impacts of large lot subdivisions across the private forests of the entire Park. None of the proposed development would be in the village of Tupper Lake, use existing infrastructure or help its downtown financially.

    Upland Development

    Approximately 700 housing units are planned near the ski area on the steep slopes and shallow soils of Mt. Morris. This high number of units will require the removal of hundreds of acres of trees, increase soil erosion, and reduce water quality in nearby lakes. The units will also be highly visible for miles during both day and night.

    Water Quality

    The project proposes two community sewage treatment plants to serve the development. One plant would discharge over 10,000 gallons a day of chemically treated effluent into the small and pristine Cranberry Pond, once used as a drinking water reservoir. This same water body will also be used to supply water to snow-making machines on the ski slopes, forever altering its natural ecosystem. The second sewage treatment plant will discharge additional thousands of gallons of effluent into Lake Simond, where local residents with homes on the lake recently made costly upgrades to their individual septic systems to improve this shallow lake's water quality. The developer contends that the treatment plants will be privately financed and maintained, but in case of failure, we suspect that the Town of Tupper Lake would have to take them over at the taxpayers' expense.

    Financing

    Due to the financial risk related to second home and condo developments around small ski areas such as Tupper, the Preserve Associates have not yet attracted major financial backing. Their hope is to secure the project permits from the Adirondack Park Agency, and then rely on their request that the Franklin County Industrial Development Agency (IDA) will provide them $54 million in private long-term bonds. The Adirondack Council finds it difficult to agree that IDA bonds should be used to finance a high-end second home resort.

    Public Hearings

    On January 10, the APA will hold a Legislative Hearing on the ACR project. This hearing is a venue for citizens, organizations, and other concerned parties to comment on all aspects of the proposal. While this is a good start, the Council believes a larger, more informative hearing before a decision on a project of this magnitude can be made. In order to modify a proposal at the APA, a formal, courtroom style adjudicatory hearing is necessary.

    At the adjudicatory hearing, intricate details of such complex projects are investigated. Issues to be heard before an Administrative Law Judge are determined. Expert witnesses, including wildlife biologists, landscape architects, hydrologists, and specialists in other relevant fields, testify on the project design. Following the testimony of these experts and the project applicant, and after examining a great deal of documentation, the Agency staff will make a recommendation on how the APA should move forward with the proposed project.

    The adjudicatory hearing process will be a vital step in ensuring that any development allowed as part of the ACR proposal is appropriate for the scope and character of the existing community, does not negatively impact the environment, and does not put a heavy financial burden on year-round residents of Tupper Lake.

    The APA needs to hear from you about the importance of the adjudicatory hearing.

    An outpouring of letters from the public will ensure that the APA sends this giant development proposal to hearing, and a proper review is done.

    Please write the APA today and in your own words, tell them:

    The Adirondack Club and Resort project in Tupper Lake must go to an adjudicatory hearing.

    As currently proposed, the project would have major local and regional undue adverse impacts in the Adirondack Park including decline in water quality, fragmentation of wildlife habitat, and visual impacts. Furthermore, the project's financing may place a heavy burden on the residents of the town.

    The ski slope should be reopened, with State financing if necessary. But this meritorious goal does not justify the massive impacts that would be caused by the Adirondack Club and Resort development, as proposed.

    Please send your letter before January 19th to:

    George Outcalt, Jr.
    The Adirondack Park Agency
    P.O. Box 99
    1133 NYS Route 86
    Ray Brook, New York 12977
    Fax: (518) 891-3938
    Please note: The APA does not have an email address

    If you have any questions, please feel free to call or email us. Also, please send or email us a copy of your correspondence, if possible. (Our address is on the front page.)

    Thank you!

    Please send or email us a copy of your correspondence, if possible. (Address below.)

    © Copyright 2005, The Adirondack Council

    P.O. Box D-2, 103 Hand Ave. - Suite 3
    Elizabethtown, NY 12932 - 877-873-2240

    342 Hamilton Street, Albany, NY 12210 - 800-842-PARK

    info@adirondackcouncil.org
  • twochordcool
    • Oct 2005
    • 627

    #2
    Unfortunately it appears that the time for public commenting on this has passed (for now) but it's nice to be aware of if the Adirondacks mean a lot to you.

    It's also nice to know that this organization exists for future development proposals.

    Keep your fingers crossed about this one - while doing and saying what you still can to try to get people to come to their senses and at the very least scale it back considerably.

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    • Dick
      somewhere out there...
      • Jan 2004
      • 2821

      #3
      Here's some more up-to-date info regarding the project:

      news, North Country, northern New York, Adirondacks, St. Lawrence Valley, Champlain Valley, Thousand Islands, media, radio, public radio, North Country Public Radio, Underscore, music, arts, politics, environment, economy, natural selections, north country bookmarks, northern light, ncpr, ncpr.org


      Dick

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      • johnstp
        Member
        • Dec 2004
        • 201

        #4
        So... what's everyone's opinion on this?

        I've been reading about it for a couple of years now. I'm suprised Foxman, the developer, is still trying. In most other areas of the country, building would be well underway. There must be a fortune to be made.

        Personally, I think its going to be scaled back before it gets the go-ahead, but it will get the go-ahead. Too many people in Tupper want it to happen for it to just go away.

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        • Hobbitling
          spring fever
          • May 2006
          • 2239

          #5
          Reminds me of the St Lawrence cement factory all over again.
          If someone doesnt step up and lead some serious activism, It will happen just because nobody objected.
          The creepiest thing is that he wants tax breaks, and wants the taxes he does pay to be used to pay for the infrastructure (roads, powerlines, sewage). so it sure isnt going to help the tax base of the community.
          On the other hand, they need jobs badly in tupper lake. They look at towns like lake placid and saranac lake and the temptation to develop is understandable.
          He found himself wondering at times, especially in the autumn, about the wild lands, and strange visions of mountains that he had never seen came into his dreams.

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          • Tuchov
            Pirate
            • Sep 2006
            • 350

            #6
            Sounds like a page from Wal-Mart's book. Don't wanna pay taxes, but the ones they do pay are needed for more cops to arrest shoplifters.

            So for 700 living units (in effect, a small town) the area is looking at:
            Removal of hundreds of acres of trees, visible during day AND night.
            2 sewage plants that dump into 2 different bodies of water.
            No promise of development (due to no financial backing as of yet).

            If something like this goes though, I'm going to lose the little hope I have left for upstate NY. I'm not against development up in the Adirondacks, but this seems like the equivalent of bulldozing the Pine Bush Preserve (in the capital region for anyone not familiar with the area) for more parking spots at Crossgates Mall

            Even if it gets built and fails, the damage will already be done. Granted, nobody else will try to build a hamlet up there anytime soon, repairing hundreds of acres of forest won't happen in the 5-6 years it'll take to build everything up.
            Last edited by Tuchov; 02-13-2007, 04:32 PM. Reason: Typos all over
            - It's lonely at the top. But its comforting to look down upon everyone at the bottom

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            • twochordcool
              • Oct 2005
              • 627

              #7
              I still say the answer is simple, even if it's not what they want to hear: if you choose to live up there you accept the hardships and burdens of having paradise in your back yard and do not expect or demand things to change that would adversely affect it.

              In other words, accept things as they are, expect only small and modest changes and/or leave if you don't like it.

              If they want development and opportunity Albany and it's suburbs are 2 hours away - they shouldn't expect a big bite taken out of the last remaining wilderness area in the northeast for their economic benefit - it's just not right.

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              • Dick
                somewhere out there...
                • Jan 2004
                • 2821

                #8
                Press release (c. one month old):

                http://www.adirondackcouncil.org/ACR...07pr.htmlPress release

                Dick

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                • kwc
                  loser
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 1300

                  #9
                  Originally posted by twochordcool
                  I still say the answer is simple, even if it's not what they want to hear: if you choose to live up there you accept the hardships and burdens of having paradise in your back yard and do not expect or demand things to change that would adversely affect it.

                  In other words, accept things as they are, expect only small and modest changes and/or leave if you don't like it.

                  If they want development and opportunity Albany and it's suburbs are 2 hours away - they shouldn't expect a big bite taken out of the last remaining wilderness area in the northeast for their economic benefit - it's just not right.
                  this is exactly what a lot of people in the Adirondacks complain about ... "outsiders" telling them how to live their lives.

                  as much as I would like to see this plan shrivel up and die, it is still a matter to be decided by the APA and the local population.

                  this thing has a ways to go before anything happens.

                  more recent info at http://www.pressrepublican.com/apps/...09/1027/NEWS01 and here http://www.pressrepublican.com/apps/...14/1027/NEWS01
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                  Once a year, go some where you've never been before.

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                  • twochordcool
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 627

                    #10
                    Originally posted by kwc
                    this is exactly what a lot of people in the Adirondacks complain about ... "outsiders" telling them how to live their lives.

                    as much as I would like to see this plan shrivel up and die, it is still a matter to be decided by the APA and the local population
                    WHICH is exactly where they are WRONG. The Adirondacks don't merely belong to people that live within the blue line. Not everyone can live up there, even if they would love to. In fact MOST people that love the Adirondacks realize they cannot live and prosper up there - so they live and work ELSEWHERE and visit every chance they get. When the locals realize and acknowledge this maybe they'll start looking at things in a different light so to speak and not make their own personal finances the bottom line.

                    The question is, do we make EVERY place a metropolis that has high-paying jobs for everyone or do we keep certain places sacred and off-limits so to speak?

                    My personal feelings are there are not many places like the Adirondacks any more but there are good jobs for everyone if they are willing to get educated and relocate.

                    Some things should be considered sacred and untouchable.

                    Things aren't so desperate and bleak that they ABSOLUTELY MUST develop the Adirondacks in order to merely survive.

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                    • redhawk
                      Senior Resident Curmudgeon
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 10929

                      #11
                      Speaking as a person who lives in the Adirondacks, I can tell you that a big problem is not the natives, but people who move up here because it's "quaint", and then they lobby like hell to change it so that it's more "convenient" for them.

                      I moved to Wells for all the reasons that it is, no development, no industry, nothing commercial to speak of, small population (736 according to the 2000 census, about 1/3 of that in the winter). I knew there were no jobs here, or nearby for that matter.

                      We time our trips to town to coincide with doctors appointments and do a months shopping for groceries and whatever other things we need. That saves us time and gas since it's about 70 miles round trip. In other words, we've adjusted to live within the community. Some of the newcomers try to get the community to adjust to them.
                      "If future generations are to remember us with gratitude rather than contempt, we must leave them more than the miracles of technology. We must leave them a glimpse of the world as it was in the beginning, not just after we got through with it." Lyndon B. Johnson

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                      • twochordcool
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 627

                        #12
                        You may be right Redhawk, but I think it's fair to say that a lot of the people in Tupper Lake that want change are people whose families have been there for generations.

                        Am I wrong?

                        And if you are right and people have relocated there then they should accept it as it is and was before they got there.

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                        • Hobbitling
                          spring fever
                          • May 2006
                          • 2239

                          #13
                          I know from growing up in Vermont that "quaint" was almost an obscenity for folks in our town, or at least a big slap in the face. I still grit my teeth when I hear people use that word. Grrr.
                          The thing that happens is that the development will raise property values and taxes so much the locals wont be able to afford to stay. In ten years you may very well have a seemingly thriving town, but it wont be populated by the descendents of the people who live there now. It's happened in lots of towns in Vermont.
                          He found himself wondering at times, especially in the autumn, about the wild lands, and strange visions of mountains that he had never seen came into his dreams.

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                          • wyldeflower
                            happiest in the woods
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 97

                            #14
                            It's happening everywhere and what to do? Another example is the Moosehead Lake development proposal in Maine (Plum Creek). https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...toryId=4630004 I suppose writing to the APA is the least one must do.
                            Last edited by wyldeflower; 02-16-2007, 09:17 AM. Reason: typo
                            Happiest in the woods

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                            • windsong781
                              Member
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 180

                              #15
                              Originally posted by hobbitling
                              Reminds me of the St Lawrence cement factory all over again.
                              If someone doesnt step up and lead some serious activism, It will happen just because nobody objected
                              .
                              My thoughts exactly...it will take many many persons, environmental groups and the almighty dollar to keep this from happening. For a recent example of what it takes to protect our open space, consider what it took to save 571 acres of land owned by a developer, Sterling Forest LLC in Southeastern NY. This parcel of land was in the heart of Sterling Forest State Park, near Tuxedo, NY. This was the last piece of privately owned land held within this SF and it took a massive effort and many years of litigation to save it. If developed, it would have led to many of the same problems that are of critical concern for the proposed development at Tupper Lake. And the proposed Sterling Forest development, that was to be named Sterling Forge Estates, was to be a small development in comparison with only 103 luxury homes and a golf course. Here is a link but be warned...it takes a few minutes to download as it is a pdf file. Another way to read about this long but victorious battle...just do a search under Sterling Forest Partnership or Sterling Forge Estates.

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