Three Million GALLONS of manure spilled in Black River

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  • Riosacandaga
    Member
    • May 2005
    • 633

    #1

    Three Million GALLONS of manure spilled in Black River

    LOWVILLE, N.Y. (Aug. 11) - Three million gallons of liquid manure spilled from a northern New York dairy farm into a nearby river, killing what state officials estimate are hundreds of thousands of fish.

    With the strongly scented tide moving its way down the Black River toward Lake Ontario Thursday, the city of Watertown shut off its water intake, and people in Lewis and Jefferson counties have been warned not to drink water from the river.

    "The smell is your typical dairy air, you might say," said Steven Fuller, who owns a riverside restaurant in Lowville.

    For now, local officials are dearly hoping for rain.

    "Right now the river's not flowing much," said Jim Martin, Lewis County's emergency manager. "There's not much we can do, just sit by."

    The spill came from one of the largest farms in Lewis County, Marks Farms, about five miles south of the village of Lowville. The farm is one of the county's 20 largest employers.

    Martin said the spill happened when an earthen wall of a lagoon holding about three million gallons of liquid manure blew out, sending the manure into a drainage ditch and then into the Black River. Martin said the spill happened either late Wednesday night or early Thursday.

    State Department of Environmental Conservation spokesman Stephen Litwhiler told the Watertown Daily Times it's too early to tell whether the farmers will face charges.

    An employee answering the phone at Marks Farms said the owner was not taking calls at home Thursday night. The farm is owned by David and Jacquelyn Peck and William Marks, according to federal farm records.

    Already the DEC estimates hundreds of thousands of fish, including perch, bass, catfish, shiners and walleye, will die before the manure surge is flushed away, Martin said.

    "It definitely will affect tourism," he said. "The Black River is known for its fishing areas."

    Martin said such a large spill has never happened in the largely agricultural county where officials say cows outnumber people.

    The gates of the nearby Stillwater Reservoir are being opened to help flush the river.

    Watertown's chief water treatment plant operator, Brian Gaffney, said the city's water treatment system will be able to treat the contaminated water, since it would be well diluted by the time it reached Watertown. Gaffney expected to reopen the city's water intake Friday.

    The state health department is monitoring the spill, which already has affected local businesses.

    "Unfortunately, people assumed that because I'm so close, my water supply is from the river, which it is not," said Fuller, whose restaurant had many cancellations Thursday.

    "There's always a smell that comes from the farm," Fuller said. "Now, the worst is over from the looks of it. Before, there were lots of dead fish going down."


    08/11/05 20:11 EDT
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  • Becca
    Member
    • Jul 2005
    • 9

    #2
    I'm one mile from this

    There's some concern about the effects of this on wells. With most directly close to the river at the spot of contamination, the wells are fed through underground veins, which hopefully didn't get some drainage into them from the river. DEC wasn't much help in the situation, referring everyone to public health. Hopefully a mile is a safe distance. I'm thinking testing water from the wells would ease everyone's minds.

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    • Rick
      Bad Seed
      • Jan 2004
      • 350

      #3
      I can't beleive that no one ever thought "Hmmmm.... If this earthen wall ever gives, the liquid manure will go directly into the Black River and then head downstream past population centers." What a fricken mess - It will take a long time to clean that up if no rain, not to mention the higher bacteria levels over the next few years.
      Last edited by Rick; 08-14-2005, 07:36 PM.
      Rick
      The measure of your ignorance is your belief in tragedy. What the caterpillar calls the end of the universe, the master calls the butterfly...
      ...unknown...

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      • redhawk
        Senior Resident Curmudgeon
        • Jan 2004
        • 10929

        #4
        Originally posted by Rick
        I can't beleive that no one ever thought "Hmmmm.... If this earthen wall ever gives, the liquid manure will go driectly into the Black River and then head downstream past population centers." What a fricken mess - It will take a long time to clean that up if no rain, not to mention the higher bacteria levels over the next few years.
        Actually they probably did but thought: "It'll cost us thousands of dollars to do this safely and I don't use the river anyway".
        "If future generations are to remember us with gratitude rather than contempt, we must leave them more than the miracles of technology. We must leave them a glimpse of the world as it was in the beginning, not just after we got through with it." Lyndon B. Johnson

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        • serotonin
          ember
          • Oct 2004
          • 2399

          #5
          Originally posted by Rick
          I can't beleive that no one ever thought "Hmmmm.... If this earthen wall ever gives, the liquid manure will go driectly into the Black River...
          I immediately wondered the same thought. How could they not see it coming...?

          The people who approved the building site should (at the very least) start looking for new jobs; in a different field.
          That's just the tip of the iceberg.

          Apparently, the Marks Farm received a $500,000.00 USDA Federal Grant in 2003, to build an "Anaerobic Digester". A smelly but profitable enterprise. http://www.eesi.org/programs/agricul...le%2011.03.pdf (Scroll half-way down).
          Although the "Digester" is an interesting idea, the question remains...WHO approved the site? It is unclear to me whether it was the federally-funded one that burst.

          I hope the disaster doesn't affect the wells in the area.

          The local economy is surely gonna take a bad hit.
          The River Outfitters have had 200 immediate cancelations.
          The fishing has been devastated.
          The very base of the river's food chain has been destroyed. It will take many years to recover.

          Now someone is trying to decide whether penalties should be levied for violations of the Clean Water Act. If the release of a 3-million-gallon-lake-of-liquid-waste into a river doesn't warrant severe penalties, what does...?

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          • sacco
            no soup for you
            • Apr 2004
            • 1156

            #6
            most people would never guess, but the largest industry with the most lobbying power in new york state is agriculture.

            agriculture is also by far the largest polluter of our surface waters.
            Fly Fisher's Anglers Association- a fine drinking club with a fishing problem
            www.GoFlyFish.org

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            • Hakuna Matada
              Member
              • Jun 2004
              • 206

              #7
              I live in Watertown, right in direct line for contamination. I've been amazed at the response, or lack of response, from officials. When we heard about it Thursday eve it was said that the contaminated water would reach Watertown sometime early Friday. Then Friday they said it was upriver in Carthage. Truth be told they had no idea how fast it would travel down the river or what they could do to improve conditions. Final word has been stay away from the river and pray for rain. I'd say there was no spill plan not only for liquid manure but for any type of spill. That's pretty scary!
              Even if the main flow of manure passes by, what about all the little bays and coves and downed trees that hold water back for long periods. That may give us a little e-coli boost in the spring thaw.
              I start dense-dose chemotherapy in the morning which will lower my white bood count down to dangerous levels leaving me very suseptible to infections. Now I'm very concerned about the water source where I live. I live in the city where the water is treated and not well water, but what do they really know about this and the effects it will have on those most vulnerable, like the young, old and the sick.
              Now I have air pollution from the west (acid rain) and water pollution from the east.

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              • Boreal Chickadee
                Member
                • Jul 2004
                • 1648

                #8
                Hankuna Matada- Very sorry for the spill but much more importantly is good luck with the chemo. Let us know how things go for you. I'm sure that everyone here wishes you their best and hope for a successful treatment series. I'll be thinking of you.
                Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
                It's about learning to dance in the rain.

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                • Hakuna Matada
                  Member
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 206

                  #9
                  Thank You Peanut Butter. Just keep talking about the mountains and the outdoors to help me through. I will live percariously through you guys for a while. This is just another mountain to climb and when they give me the clear check up after the treatments the view will be sweet. I've gotten the trail map (plan of treatment)and studied it. I've started down the trail and I may have to sweat a few times (and I hate to sweat) but the top of the mountain is worth it!
                  Sorry. I hijaked this thread.

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                  • MattC
                    Member
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 131

                    #10
                    This is a catastrophe. The problem is "agriculture" on this scale. Reasonably-sized family farms don't need "lagoons" because they don't produce that extraordinary amount of waste. Factory farms do.
                    Three million gallons? To me, that sounds more like industry than agriculture. I'm sure some will defend this dairy "farm" because they employ a lot of people, but this scale of dairy production ultimately is unsustainable, irresponsible and, as this disaster demostrates, dangerous to human and animal health.

                    Matt

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                    • redhawk
                      Senior Resident Curmudgeon
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 10929

                      #11
                      Originally posted by MattC
                      This is a catastrophe. The problem is "agriculture" on this scale. Reasonably-sized family farms don't need "lagoons" because they don't produce that extraordinary amount of waste. Factory farms do.
                      Three million gallons? To me, that sounds more like industry than agriculture. I'm sure some will defend this dairy "farm" because they employ a lot of people, but this scale of dairy production ultimately is unsustainable, irresponsible and, as this disaster demostrates, dangerous to human and animal health.

                      Matt
                      Hey, that's the Great American Dream you're trashing, patriotic capitalism!!
                      "If future generations are to remember us with gratitude rather than contempt, we must leave them more than the miracles of technology. We must leave them a glimpse of the world as it was in the beginning, not just after we got through with it." Lyndon B. Johnson

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                      • Nessmuk
                        FLYFSR
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 214

                        #12
                        FYI: USDA had nothing to do with this lagoon...no funding or technical assistance. The landowners built it in that location on their own, its been there for years. Also, a farm this size is considered a "Confined Animal Feeding Operation" or CAFO...DEC has some strict guidelines regarding CAFO's. Believe me, this is a wake up call for a lot of large farms out there...everybody is watching this. Unfortunately, an event like this really hurts the Ag Community....which includes many small family farms who are very passionate about the environment. So even though we all hate to see stuff like this happen please don't group all of the Ag Community under the pollution umbrella. We can only hope the other big "factory farms" learn by this and take the proper precautions.

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                        • redhawk
                          Senior Resident Curmudgeon
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 10929

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Nessmuk
                          We can only hope the other big "factory farms" learn by this and take the proper precautions.
                          No, we can only hope that the politicians learn from this and start legislating instead of spending all the political contributions from the combines.

                          Or better yet, hope the citizens learn from this and vote the politicians out next chance they get......
                          "If future generations are to remember us with gratitude rather than contempt, we must leave them more than the miracles of technology. We must leave them a glimpse of the world as it was in the beginning, not just after we got through with it." Lyndon B. Johnson

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                          • Hakuna Matada
                            Member
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 206

                            #14
                            I think the eviromental impact seen from this spill will be felt for a long, long time. The DEC is guessing that 1000,000 fish died in the spill. They have stated that they don't believe it will make the animals that feed on these fish sick but there has been no long term ramifications mentioned. We have once again messed up the food chain which has domino effects far beyond the fish. Time will tell.

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                            • Volte
                              Old Enough to Know Better
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 231

                              #15
                              I was raised in Wisconsin, Gods Country, America's Dairyland. Most of the rivers in the lower part of the state (areas with dairy farms) cannot sustain fish other than the scum sucking carp; due to farm fertilizer/waste runoff. When you add fertilizer to water it causes an allege bloom, when all the allege dies it starts to decay, pulling large amounts of oxygen out of the water. The rivers end up with trash or no fish at all. Gods country is full of carp.

                              Simple solution; create a buffer zone between the watershed and the farms. Most of the small farms in the area that I grew up in have pasture land that front the river and plow the fields only few feet away from the river banks. On hot summer days it is common to see whole heards of cows wading in the water. Everyone needs to be held accountable for the condition of our environment, not just big business.

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