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  • TEG
    Member
    • Feb 2006
    • 96

    #1

    New job

    I've recently applied to the backcountry trails program run through the California Conservation Corp (CCC). Today, I was interviewed over the phone for about 20 minutes from my program supervisor and the selections for this coming season will be made on March 16/17. This is a great opportunity for me, if I get accepted and I'm looking forward to getting my ass whooped into shape and living in the California forests for 5 months. You can get all the information through the site: Backcountry trails program

    If I do get accepted, I'll be placed in either Yosemite, Shasta Trinity, Redwood, Klamath, Stanislaus, Inyo or Big Basin park. The job runs over 5 months from April 17th - September 21.

    I was wondering if any of the members here have ever worked trail maintenance before? I'm obviously nervous but excited at the same time. Next week if I get the call that I'm accepted, I'll post my equipment list that I've been researching through campmor, maybe you guys can help me with some of the selection.

    Typical Daily schedule:
    Taken from: http://www.ccc.ca.gov/backcountry/DAILY.HTM
    0500-0600 REPORT to camp common areas, uniform ready-in-hand for work, wash up, prepare lunch, prepare day pack, assist cook & KP, maintain tools, feed the fire, fetch water or wood, then drink coffee, huddle to the fire, etc.

    0600-0630 BREAKFAST

    0630-0730 CAMP CHORES-gather wood, filter water, wash dishes, general camp cleanup and organizing.

    0730-0800 PT (Physical Training)-stretching, abdominal and lower back strengthening, calisthenics, warm-ups, etc.

    0800 CREW CIRCLE-UP-morning reading, general crew briefing and individual assignments, safety discussions, questions, all other morning information.

    0800-1630 HIKE to work @ maximum personal speed (3-5 MPH) with up to 25-60 lbs. of day pack and tools over steep rugged terrain at altitudes averaging 4,000 to 10,000 + feet above sea-level. No talking-all your wind is for making speed!

    WORK can consist of 2-20 daily miles of roving maintenance consisting of clearing logs, rocks, boulders and brush from the trail way as well as digging drainages. Trail maintenance can fill up to 2-3 months of the crew program of work.

    The other main work mode is trail construction/reconstruction. Typical tasks include moving dirt, logs and rocks ranging in weight from 10 to 300 pounds (and up to as much as 2,000 pounds+). These materials are moved via lifting, carrying, dragging, rolling, wheelbarrow, stretcher, high line cable systems, draft stock and by 20 lb. steel pry bar. Other tasks include excavation for construction, and many hours to many days of crushing stone rubble fill using 8-16 pound sledge hammers. Logs and rocks are used to build trail structures such as waterbars for drainage, soil retainer steps/terraces/checks, slope retaining walls, elevated causeways through fragile sites, and trail tread rip-rap stairways for erosion control, drainage and tread protection. Dry-stone masonry (rock construction without mortar) is the preferred building method for its' qualities of durability and longevity. Quality control is rigorous in its' minimum requirement for "100-year work". This ancient craft is difficult to master and taxes even the most patient young trainee/ "apprentice" as the frustration of acquiring the skills of masonry are endured.

    The last main work function of these crews is wilderness site restoration /reveg-etation. Typical tasks include seeding &/or transplanting of grass, brush and tree species as well as site stabilization and preparation of damaged areas including installation of soil retainers/check dams in gullies, soil scarification to remove compaction, backfilling of gullies, and application of native mulching materials (sand, thatch, leaf litter, woody debris, etc.) for purposes of camouflage and enhancement of soil fertility, moisture retention, temperature moderation, etc.

    1200-1230 LUNCH

    1230-1600 WORK-(more, faster, better and with even more intensity than in the morning!!)

    1600-1630 HIKE home.

    1630-1730 PREPARE for dinner-bathe (in a snow melt creek or occasional solar shower), empty day packs of lunch garbage, fill up water bottles, etc.

    1730-1800 DINNER

    1800-1830 CAMP CHORES--wood, water, dishes, cleanup, burn garbage, assist Cook/KP in breakfast preparation, organizing camp

    1830-2030 CURRICULUM-Approximately one hour (4 nights/week) spent examining a wide variety of subject matter ranging from natural history to Spanish to literacy to crew member-taught-subjects to recreational activities. Other topics for class include community and team building, stress reduction, production of the crew newspaper, designing the crew T-shirt, reading aloud, career development and resume writing, conservation awareness, map and compass use, minimum impact camping techniques, wilderness survival and primitive skills and wherever else the positive intellectual curiosity of the crew takes the curriculum program. Curriculum is held four nights per week with one night of the four devoted to a Community Meeting for dealing with issues of importance to the crew community. Community involvement and personal improvement are the overriding themes that crew members need to commit themselves to.

    1930-2300 FREE TIME-most crewmembers are ready for bed by 2100 (9:00pm). Reading, playing music, playing cards or other games, singing and talk are common activities around the campfire.

    WEEKENDS: Crew members should expect to be required to participate in weekend explorations of their wilderness home on most weekends. Weekend backpacking trips can begin as early as Friday afternoon, if weekend gear is hauled to work, or as late as Saturday morning after breakfast. Trips are never solo! A minimum of one other crew member are required for trips via trail or two other crew members for off-trail / cross-country trips. A weekend trip may consist of an over-Saturday night trip to the nearest lake or an epic trek across many miles and ascending challenging mountain peaks.
    Take a look through the site, it's a great program and benefits both the participant and the environment. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!


    Tod

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  • AntlerPerak
    Member
    • Jun 2005
    • 316

    #2
    That looks like hard work. I am sure Pete can fill you in with more detail. Good luck, it sounds like a worthy endeavor. I understand California has some real nice mountains. Not the Cascades but nice just the same.

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    • Wildernessphoto
      Member
      • Jan 2004
      • 1767

      #3
      Originally posted by AntlerPerak
      That looks like hard work. I am sure Pete can fill you in with more detail. Good luck, it sounds like a worthy endeavor. I understand California has some real nice mountains. Not the Cascades but nice just the same.
      Very Cool TEG!
      You will never work so hard, or be so rewarded. It's a lot of hauling equipment and bull work! you will be Buff in 5 months. Moving boulders, trees, shoveling, working in mud hauling earth in 5 pails. Been there, done that! It's very rewarding work. if your fortunate, you will learn rigging, chopping, hueing, and other outdoor skills. Some of my best times doing trail work was standing knee deep in mud moving boulders with bars, chain, and come-a-longs. Raised and hardened trail that way. and Even for all that beast work, I wouldn't have traded it for the world!
      Enjoy it! it's an opportunity of a life time!
      -Gary-
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      • TEG
        Member
        • Feb 2006
        • 96

        #4
        Also what's neat, is four nights a week for an hour they teach a cirriculum. General bushcraft and low-impact camping, local lore and natural history. Some lessons given by the supervisors or local professors and some stuff is taught by crew members that have knowledge of certain subjects. The nerves are starting to set in though, as next week approaches. All worth it in the long run though.


        Tod

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        • Kevin
          **BANNED**
          • Nov 2003
          • 5857

          #5
          Originally posted by Wildernessphoto
          and Even for all that beast work, I wouldn't have traded it for the world!
          That's easy to say when you're build like an ox .

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          • kurtteej
            New to ***** (not t'foot)
            • Dec 2004
            • 227

            #6
            That looks like a really tough job, but one that i wish that i could tell people that i did. Very, very cool.
            Kurt Tietjen
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            • TEG
              Member
              • Feb 2006
              • 96

              #7
              My supervisor said that I should expect to lose 10-15 pounds in the beginning and a month or so after that I'll probably gain 20 pounds back in muscle.

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              • Zan
                • Mar 2005
                • 58

                #8
                TEG,

                Kick arse!

                I am a 2002 CCC Backcountry Trails Crew alum and have been working trails ever since. I hope you hear fortunate news concerning the season!

                Who have you been talking to over the phone?

                If you have any questions don't hesitate to contact me. I can send you my information...

                Jeffrey.
                "Man did not weave the web of life; he is merely a strand of it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself."

                --Chief Seattle

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                • TEG
                  Member
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 96

                  #9
                  Holy crap Zan! That's awesome! Currently, my fingers are crossed as I was told that starting tomorrow and friday, the selections will be made. I know I have tons of questions to ask, but I dont want to count my chickens before they're hatched (it's been hard not to). But I'll know by the end of Friday if I'm in. Which park were you working in? I cant remember the name of the guy that I talked to, very nice guy though. Talked about hockey for the first 10 minutes or so.


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                  • Zan
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 58

                    #10
                    I bet you were talking to Karlson Hubbard...I think he was conducting some interviews this year.

                    I was on a roving crew that spent six weeks in Yosemite and moved on up to the Shasta-Trinity National Forest for the remainder of the season. If you are interested in a unique isolated experience than cross your fingers for the Trinity Alps. I think I saw less than a hundred backpackers in the three and a half months I was up that way as opposed to the hordes one will find in Yosemite.

                    I remember when I was waiting impatiently for my call. When it finally came, I picked up the phone, barked out a shakey greeting and a man responded sans salutations, "What's yer boot size?" He didn't even ask me if I was the one who applied for the position.

                    Keep me informed and again, if and when you do get the call, I will be happy to answers any questions. Peter Lewis, the founder and director of the program, is a rochester native and a hero of mine. I'm looking forward to the day where I can get back out there and be lead a crew...

                    Take care and good luck.
                    "Man did not weave the web of life; he is merely a strand of it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself."

                    --Chief Seattle

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                    • TEG
                      Member
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 96

                      #11
                      I GOT IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!


                      and - I'll be placed in Inyo for the first 6 weeks and then moving into the Shasta Trinity! Wooooooooooo, Karlson Hubbard is my supervisor and I'm freaking shaking I'm so excited! Now it's time to celebrate, and then I'll be asking some questions. Ohhhh man!

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                      • Zan
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 58

                        #12
                        Congrads to you!
                        "Man did not weave the web of life; he is merely a strand of it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself."

                        --Chief Seattle

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                        • Wildernessphoto
                          Member
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 1767

                          #13
                          Originally posted by TEG
                          I GOT IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!


                          and - I'll be placed in Inyo for the first 6 weeks and then moving into the Shasta Trinity! Wooooooooooo, Karlson Hubbard is my supervisor and I'm freaking shaking I'm so excited! Now it's time to celebrate, and then I'll be asking some questions. Ohhhh man!
                          Congrats TEG!!
                          Great opportunity! you'll have a ball!
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                          • TEG
                            Member
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 96

                            #14
                            Just ordered a few things. There's more I'll order, but the boots and raingear I want to make sure fit perfectly:

                            day pack
                            Marmot precip pants
                            Marmot precip jacket
                            Vasque Clarion impact GTX boots

                            I'll post more later, whattya think so far?

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                            • Zan
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 58

                              #15
                              This is a personal decision...Do you want extra weight or extra comfort? What sort of woodsperson are you...the one who relies on gear or the one who makes do with little?

                              I didn't buy rain gear or boots. Both were provided by the CCC's and I didn't feel like hauling an extra pair of boots on my back during camp moves. I brought a pair of trail running shoes and mailed those home at the begining of the season. I had a pair of sandals that I wore off work and on weekend backpacking trips. The majority of the trails that you will walk will be stock trails and one can comfortably maneuver themselves on such tread in sneakers or sandals. I didn't want to toss my feet into a hiking boot after wearing my logging heals all week. I'm a three season sandal hiker. Teva's or Chaco's wil do...


                              I also ditched my day pack at the begining of the season and used my larger pack for the work day...It was easier for me to toss tools onto my backpack and again, it saved weight on camp moves...

                              In the end, the experience strengthened my beliefs in minimalism. I don't know where your wilderness philosophies lay nor your experience in such environments, but personally, I'm not much of a gear head and working and living with the Backcountry Trails Crew radically molded and developped my style. In fact, it will drastically warp your entire way of life. There will be new Tao's to discover and old ones tossed to the fire.

                              By the middle of the season I either gave away or mailed home most of my stuff--leaving me with:

                              pack
                              garbage bag for rain cover
                              20 degrees sleeping bag
                              1 person tent
                              foam sleeping pad
                              flashlight/head lamp and extra batteries
                              a stuff sack
                              toothbrush/toothpaste
                              my contact supplies/glasses
                              2 pairs of wool socks
                              1 tshirt
                              sythentic top/bottom
                              fleece jacket
                              1 pair of shorts
                              sandals
                              books (gave away a lot of these!)
                              journals
                              notebook
                              2 zip lock freezer bags
                              winter hat
                              a big gatorade bottle for water
                              knife

                              That's light for 5 months...I wish I dropped more!

                              Issued to me (This weight adds up)

                              My Helmet
                              2 pairs of work clothes
                              2 pairs of gloves
                              2 pairs of safey glasses
                              packages of earplugs
                              work boots
                              rain gear

                              I made three camp moves, a 65 miler, a 23 miler and a 17er. The lighter the pack, the better! For now, get what is on the list that was sent to you, as well as what you think you will need and find comforting--await for your comfort zones to be stretched! Find out what rhythm works for you...and drop stuff when needed.

                              Personally, I wouldn't go for the expensive gear...at least not yet. You'll end up recycling it for new stuff at the end of the season anyways.


                              I ditched my stove, my pot, cookware, water filter, extra clothing, socks and all my underwear. Actually, I burnt my underwear. I could have gone without the sandals, shorts, books, sleeping pad, and tent, although, a decent pair of sandals and a fine piece of literature are staple luxury items in my life. As the season progressed, I used my tent for storage and I slept outside. I kept the fleece and the layers because it tended to get brisk in the evening.

                              All and all, I ended my season believing that half the ****e I see in catalogs, outdoor stores, on the trail and online I will never need...

                              As you continue to prepare, plan for the season as you would plan for walking the Pacific Crest Trail or any long trail...The trail workers lifestyle can be compared to a Ray Jardine drug induced blasphemy. You'll love it.
                              "Man did not weave the web of life; he is merely a strand of it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself."

                              --Chief Seattle

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