GPS. Unsportsmanlike?

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  • thuja
    • Oct 2007
    • 8

    #61
    I understand what you are getting at with "sporting", Neil. I might prefer to say that map and compass is more "elegant". Using the minimalist toolset to accomplish the same objective well, that another person needs more tools to accomplish, is always esthetically preferred. It is a sign of skill. Yvon Chouinard speaks of this in alpine climbing.

    My personal take, for most recreational purposes simple, cheap, light, durable beats electronic gadgetry. If you have the chops. I see the point in some non-recreational uses, e.g, rare plant surveys, scrutinizing timber sale unit boundaries, etc. But to-the-yard precision is not usually needed in pure travel situations. It's sort of pleasant not to know, actually. I suspect there is some sort of generational transition occurring. Those of us who have been in the woods a while, and can navigate easily and naturally with the traditional tools don't see the point. But there's no doubt that GPS units are less skill-demanding, and many just entering the world of off-trail travel will just learn that and will never develop real ease and confidence with the old tools. How many people under 25 can multiply, divide, and find square roots without an electronic calculator?

    It is also a most interesting and useful exercise to not have map and compass. Just rely on one's mental map. Or only a compass. I continue to think that "feel" is a very valuable thing to have, and GPS probably does not develop it. GPS is a crutch. So are Maps and compasses, but smaller, less cumbersome ones. The ideal is to *just know*. At least my ideal.

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    • redhawk
      Senior Curmudgeon
      • Jan 2004
      • 10929

      #62
      Originally posted by thuja
      It is also a most interesting and useful exercise to not have map and compass. Just rely on one's mental map. Or only a compass. I continue to think that "feel" is a very valuable thing to have, and GPS probably does not develop it. GPS is a crutch. So are Maps and compasses, but smaller, less cumbersome ones. The ideal is to *just know*. At least my ideal.
      I find GPS to be a "TOOL". I can navigate usintg just the terrain, and my senses (and sense). I am also well schooled in map and compass. In fact, I taught them, as well as survival. And I do '*Just know*. In fact, prior to going I have spend enough time with topo's in front of me to know my route and the surrounding terrain intimately.

      As far as the "chops", got them too.

      But fortunately, Creator gave me a brain, and common sense, and as I got experience, a little wisdom. That wisdom teaches me to use every means possible and the best tools possible for self preservation. So I carry my maps, 2 compasses, a GPS, a gaggle of batteries, and the knowledge that I could make it back with none of them.

      In most instances, I'm sight navigating, pulling the compass or gps map out only when I want to clariry somehting

      Nothing to do with "sport", "chops", or "cohones". Just smarts.

      Hell at this rate, I may live to 130 and get shot by a jealous husband.

      Hawk
      "If future generations are to remember us with gratitude rather than contempt, we must leave them more than the miracles of technology. We must leave them a glimpse of the world as it was in the beginning, not just after we got through with it." Lyndon B. Johnson

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      • DRIFTER
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        • Sep 2007
        • 897

        #63
        At 130, forget the husband, the wife would be enough to kill ya!

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        • Neil
          Admin

          • May 2004
          • 6131

          #64
          Originally posted by redhawk
          Hell at this rate, I may live to 130 and get shot by a jealous husband.
          Yeah, seeing's how you're a guy who believes in using modern technology that could happen.


          If the husband was sporting he'd dispatch you with the edge of his compass base plate.
          The best, the most successful adventurer, is the one having the most fun.

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          • 1894
            Member
            • May 2007
            • 1341

            #65
            Originally posted by Neil
            Yeah, seeing's how you're a guy who believes in using modern technology that could happen.


            If the husband was sporting he'd dispatch you with the edge of his compass base plate.
            That waterproof topo paper is pretty thick , a good paper cut in the right place .....
            Phil



            “The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.” —Herbert Spencer

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            • Connie Bear Orion
              Member
              • Mar 2007
              • 454

              #66
              Originally posted by ADK-DRIFTER
              At 130, forget the husband, the wife would be enough to kill ya!
              If its your time, I can think of worse ways to go.

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