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  • Neil
    Admin

    • May 2004
    • 6129

    #1

    On winter camping.

    Whenever I tell someone I’m going winter camping they usually tell me I’m crazy. Ether that, or they ask me just what can be fun about sitting out in freezing cold weather. A common question is, “just what do you DO all day?”

    To the uninitiated, the concept of going camping in the wintertime conjures up images of sitting, huddled up and shivering, while snot freezes in an icicle on the end of one’s nose.

    However, by the time you finish reading this little introduction I am certain that even if you don’t say to yourself that maybe you’d like to try it that you will think it sounds like a great thing to do.


    First of all, the main premise of my winter camping has always been that I love being out of doors and that camping makes it possible to be out 24 hours a day. The camping is not an end in itself; it is merely the vehicle that allows us to enjoy being outside. The next thing to understand right from square one is that when we winter camp we are just about never cold. I dislike being cold just as much as the next guy and so I plan my winter camping activities to prevent that from happening.

    So, keep in mind two things:
    1-never cold
    2-enjoying the great outdoors

    So, where does the heat come from?
    After 30 years of winter camping I am only aware of two heat sources: fire and metabolism. In a way these two are really the same. I.e. the release of stored chemical energy in the form of heat.

    When one is moving about, snow shoeing through sparkling powder snow or carrying nice dry maple logs for the evening fire one’s metabolism is kicking out more than enough heat to keep warm in even the severest cold snap. So much so in fact, that we have to be careful not to break out in a sweat and dampen our clothing. When you stop moving, all that wonderful heat stops being produced. Before long you feel a chill as your heat loss surpasses your heat production. Quite simply, you have begun freezing to death.

    Ideally, as you enter the initial phase of death by freezing you are standing next to a nifty little pile of birch bark and dried twigs with a match in hand. Next to you there is a pile of kindling and a much bigger pile of dry logs that you just spent the past hour or so sawing and hauling into camp.

    The fire you are about to build will release massive amounts of stored chemical energy, a tiny fraction of which will shift the heat production/loss equation back in your favour. You are now smug in the knowledge that you will keep on living as the fire begins to kick out serious heat..

    After an evening of pleasant conversation and plenty of good food, perhaps a belt of scotch or cognac or three it is time to leave the fire’s life sustaining circle of radiant energy and go to sleep. If you were to simply lie down in the snow at minus 30 you would shift the heat equation disastrously in the grim reaper’s favour. Instead, you crawl into an expensive down sleeping bag who’s insulating properties will skew the equation such that heat loss is reduced to a low enough levels to maintain all bodily systems. Now you either don’t regret one bit all that cash you laid out or you deeply regret saving 25 bucks by getting the cheaper but lesser rated bag.

    And there you have it. While winter camping you have a total of 3 ways of staying warm:
    1- move
    2- sit by fire
    3- get in sleeping bag

    Now that the question of keeping warm has been dealt with the next question is what do you DO all day?

    Let me present you with a typical day in the life of myself and my winter camping buddy, Dave..

    Near dawn: Wake up time, bladder’s full. I unzip my bag, sit up and put a down parka over top of my thick fleece shirt. Then I stand up outside of the tent or lean-to we constructed and put on thick felt liners. Depending on the bladder situation I either relieve myself right away or start a fire. Let’s say that I managed my fluids perfectly and my bladder can wait. I walk over to the fire pit and stir the ashes exposing some live coals. Then I put birch bark, small twigs and dead conifer branches that spent the previous night under a nylon tarp in case it snowed over the coals. On hands and knees I blow life into the coals. I usually have a 5-foot wall of deliciously warm flames going within seconds to get dressed beside before taking care of the full bladder.

    Breakfast: Remember, we are out there to enjoy nature so breakfast is spent in leisurely repose as we admire the surrounding forest and watch the Boreal Chickadees and Nuthatches as our day begins to unfold. We like to rake hot coals out from the main fire and lay a grill overtop. Water is boiled for coffee while sausages and extra thick bacon sizzles and spits. At this time the map is brought out and the day’s wanderings are planned.

    “How about taking yesterday’s trail as far this valley and then following a bearing of 140 until we can see these cliffs. From there we can go over the top of this hill, drop down to the marsh that shows on the map here and pick up the drainage to the lake. At the west end of the lake we have a mile of bushwhacking and we’re back at our beaver pond with plenty of time to get wood.”

    On the trail: With pockets stuffed with food a-plenty and a map and compass we spend at least 6 hours wandering through beautiful, inspiring country. We are always amazed at how much beautiful and incredibly varied terrain can fit into a relatively small area as it is viewed on the map. For us these hours are the most fulfilling and significant part of the entire trip.

    Back at camp: There is work to be done. Depending on how cold it is we spend an hour or two cutting firewood and carrying it into camp. We usually put some thick soup onto the coals that are still alive from the morning fire and this soup cooks and thickens as we do our lumberjack routine. By the time we are all set darkness is stealing rapidly over the land. Black spruce and white pines are silhouetted against the dark blue sky. The fire is rejuvenated and we sit back against the snow bank that surrounds our living area and greedily consume a pot of hot soup before clinking our scotch filled metal cups together in a salute of an unforgettable day spent in winter paradise.

    The fire: The fire is fed from the large pile of 4- foot long logs. We usually lay about 6 logs in an open vee configuration not unlike the prow of a barge and continuously fill the inner space with firewood. The backlogs that constitute the vee become a wall of hot flame that throws a circle of heat and this allows us to sit barefoot as the meat cooks. After we have eaten supper we usually stroll down to the water hole we previously chopped and fill up on water.

    Water: It is very important to gauge one’s water intake. The fine line between waking up at 2am either with a raging thirst or an unavoidable need to pee seems to be very fine. The basic rule of thumb that works for us is to drink some water during the evening but much less than you think you really need.

    Turning in: You’ll know when it’s time to hit the hay. Whatever clothing you don’t wear to bed or use as a pillow will serve as insulation if you place it underneath yourself. The large quantities of meat you feasted on while reclining before the roaring blaze will help warm you and your frigid sleeping bag. Digestion of protein is a heat releasing chemical reaction.

    This cycle of wake-eat-explore-cut wood-eat sleep can go on for as long as one wishes or until one’s food supply runs out.

    Needless to say there is more to successful (ie, enjoyable) winter camping than presented above. For those all-important tricks and tips there is no shortage of how-to books available. What I have presented is the way myself and my partner evolved our own methods so as to achieve maximum comfort and pleasure while minimizing discomfort and suffering while winter camping in Canada.
    The best, the most successful adventurer, is the one having the most fun.
  • CrisisBill
    Member
    • Apr 2005
    • 118

    #2
    Simply a FANTASTIC summery, I could not have said it better; and I have tried many a time.
    People just think we are "NUTS", but that's fine with me, it keeps the crowds down .
    I will be using parts of this to try to lure a 3rd person to our party.

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    • Judgeh
      Member
      • Jun 2004
      • 1291

      #3
      My winter camping experience is fairly limited, but Neil's description fully squares with my own view. Excellent discussion!

      The old adage of wood heating you twice...once when you saw and chop and once when you burn is never truer than at a winter camp.

      Important to remember: if your clothes are wet, take them off as quickly as possible and get into dry ones. In cold weather, wet can make you miserable in minutes if you're not generating enough heat. Few things feel as good as dry and warm fleece after a cold day of burning calories.

      So Neil, when are you going to give us the lowdown on layering for the properly attired winter camper?

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      • ken999
        Member
        • Apr 2004
        • 957

        #4
        Nice write-up Neil...

        I'll have to get you out for some winter camping in my tipi some time...you will think you are cheating...sitting around in a tee shirt till bedtime...

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        • redhawk
          Senior Resident Curmudgeon
          • Jan 2004
          • 10929

          #5
          Originally posted by ken999
          Nice write-up Neil...

          I'll have to get you out for some winter camping in my tipi some time...you will think you are cheating...sitting around in a tee shirt till bedtime...
          Kit Carson got aclimated to tipi's when he sstayed with one of the Plains tribes. In fact when the Army tried tio hire him for one of their campaigns against one of the nations, he agreed only if they allowed him to take a tipi!!

          Does your's have a liner Ken? Or is it one of those pyramids with your wood stove?

          Hawk
          "If future generations are to remember us with gratitude rather than contempt, we must leave them more than the miracles of technology. We must leave them a glimpse of the world as it was in the beginning, not just after we got through with it." Lyndon B. Johnson

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          • redhawk
            Senior Resident Curmudgeon
            • Jan 2004
            • 10929

            #6
            Winter camping is so much nicer then any other season. For one thing, ou won't run into many people doing an overnight.
            The air is crisp and clean and the trees take on an almost mystical aura when coated with snow or ice crystals. The glistening of the crystalized snow under the moonlight reminds one of scenes from the Currier and Ives prints.

            All of what Neil said is correct, and the biggest problem is usually trying to stay cool, not warm. clothing is important, under no circunstnce should one wear cotton.

            Anyway, if you haven't experienced it, give it a try, just a short hike into a lean to at first to get the hang of it and test gear.

            Oh yeah, the nicest thing about winter camping??

            Did I mention..........

            NO BUGS!!!!!!!!!!!
            "If future generations are to remember us with gratitude rather than contempt, we must leave them more than the miracles of technology. We must leave them a glimpse of the world as it was in the beginning, not just after we got through with it." Lyndon B. Johnson

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            • DuctTape
              Out of Shape
              • Jul 2006
              • 2059

              #7
              I concur with all the sentiments. Winter camping is great. The sounds of the wilderness are very different than the other 3 seasons.
              "There's a whisper on the night-wind, there's a star agleam to guide us, And the Wild is calling, calling . . . let us go." -from "The Call of the Wild" by Robert Service

              My trail journal: DuctTape's Journal

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              • unadogger
                Likes to hike
                • Aug 2005
                • 109

                #8
                I love winter backpacking. For me its always been the time that I've explored lowland areas and small peaks that I don't tend to hike in summer. No matter where I go in winter, I always feel like I'm connecting with a whole different side of nature. The solitude of winter has a beauty all its own.

                With all backpacking/camping/outdoor stuff; whenever I feel a twinge of discomfort, I just remind myself the feeling is temporary. The overall rewards always outwiegh any discomforts, and a certain level of adversity for me always makes the challenge seem more like a triumph when I've completed it. :-)
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                • Neil
                  Admin

                  • May 2004
                  • 6129

                  #9
                  The winter camping method I described is but one of many possibilities. There are people who don't have fires (ie. above timberline, or where peakbagging is a priority, or in areas where they are prohibited). As soon as you stop you put up a tent, crawl in the sleeping bag and cook, eat and make water from a horizontal position, unless it's warm enough to lounge around in warm clothing.

                  What I describe uses a base camp from which we day-trip out of. There is also the "nomadic" trip which involves making and breaking camp daily. We did this in our early days of winter camping but as we developed a more relaxed and comfortable style we opted for the base camp. This led to bigger and better fires and a spacious living area dug right to the ground. Choosing the right campsite is a key to a successful trip. Access to fresh water and lots and lots of deadwood, preferably standing, are important elements as is protection from the wind. Areas that are next to lakes and that have been flooded by beaver activity are often perfect, especially if the wind-packed lake can be used for easy access to the region.
                  The best, the most successful adventurer, is the one having the most fun.

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                  • ADKHUNTER
                    Member
                    • May 2007
                    • 884

                    #10
                    Great thread. I'm convinced!

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                    • Wldrns
                      Member
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 4600

                      #11
                      My biggest problem with winter camping is what to do after it gets dark, like at 4:30 in the afternoon. Stoking the fire is one way to keep busy, but I often don't want to bother with a fire, especially in the deep snow western 'daks area where I go. It is usually easy to fall asleep early, but going horizontal in the tent or snow shelter for that many hours can get uncomfy.
                      Originally posted by Neil
                      ...Access to fresh water and lots and lots of deadwood, preferably standing, are important elements as is protection from the wind.
                      ummm... ok for wind protection but it is not legal to take standing wood for firemaking, even if it is dead. We all may take some dead kindling from a spruce from time to time in locations where no one would notice, but not even this is technically permissible. I know you are environmentally responsible Neil, I just don't want people to get the wrong idea and to be aware of the regulations.

                      From the NYSDEC regulatioin:
                      ยง190.1 Fire
                      a. No fires are permitted except for cooking, warmth or smudge. No fire shall be lit until all flammable material has been removed from its perimeter as is necessary to prevent its spread. No fires shall be left unattended until extinguished.

                      b. No person shall deposit lighted matches, cigars, cigarettes or other burning tobacco where they will cause fire.

                      c. No wood, except from dead and down trees or from supplies furnished by the department, shall be used for fuel."
                      "Now I see the secret of making the best person, it is to grow in the open air and to eat and sleep with the earth." -Walt Whitman

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                      • Neil
                        Admin

                        • May 2004
                        • 6129

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Wldrns
                        My biggest problem with winter camping is what to do after it gets dark, like at 4:30 in the afternoon. Stoking the fire is one way to keep busy, but I often don't want to bother with a fire, especially in the deep snow western 'daks area where I go.
                        Fires were an integral feature on our trips. They allowed us to start cooking supper after the sun went down and we would spend a good 4 hours sitting and talking, feeding the fire until our heads got heavy.
                        Originally posted by Wldrns
                        I know you are environmentally responsible Neil, I just don't want people to get the wrong idea and to be aware of the regulations.
                        You are absolutely right on that one and this being an ADK website I made sure to mention this:
                        Originally posted by Neil
                        What I have presented is the way myself and my partner evolved our own methods ...while winter camping in Canada.
                        but it's a good idea to bring it up. That's a reason why winter camping in the Dacks is more difficult, finding good firewood on the ground is tricky under 5 feet of snow.
                        The best, the most successful adventurer, is the one having the most fun.

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                        • Little Rickie
                          Member
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 1564

                          #13
                          Very nice post but I can wait a few months to do it.

                          I too like winter camping and people think I'm nuts for it. They all think I'm toughing it out fighting the cold but I tell them I'm never cold and sleep as warm as they do.

                          It is a little shocking getting out of the sack first thing in the morning.
                          Let there be peace on earth and good will toward all.

                          "One touch of nature makes the whole world kin."

                          William Shakespeare

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                          • Shaun
                            Member
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 38

                            #14
                            I enjoyed reading your post Neil. I've been winter camping in the Adirondacks for a number of years. I use a canvas tent and titanium woodstove that only weighs eight pounds. When I'm hiking in Autum,I take time to stash firewood for my winter trips. I always manage to find plenty of firewood even if I don't winter camp close to cached wood.

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                            • Neil
                              Admin

                              • May 2004
                              • 6129

                              #15
                              Originally posted by denbie
                              I use a canvas tent and titanium woodstove that only weighs eight pounds. When I'm hiking in Autum,I take time to stash firewood for my winter trips. I always manage to find plenty of firewood even if I don't winter camp close to cached wood.
                              I really like the idea of caching the wood. We did that once in Quebec. Some forum members here might recall doing that at Copperas Pond not all that long ago. The stove probably reduces your wood cutting needs 20-fold.
                              The best, the most successful adventurer, is the one having the most fun.

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