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  • chairrock
    Indian Mt.Club
    • Oct 2006
    • 2714

    #91
    Originally posted by LifeOutside
    I think we should just ditch cars and use air power instead.

    http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Bex2C-...wtkoKwMhFbbBAF
    Or this one....

    Syndicated news and opinion website providing continuously updated headlines to top news and analysis sources.
    Be careful, don't spread invasive species!!

    When a dog runs at you,whistle for him.
    Henry David Thoreau

    CL50-#23

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    • chairrock
      Indian Mt.Club
      • Oct 2006
      • 2714

      #92
      Do high prices of oil help the environment and lessen carbon output?

      Read on....
      Be careful, don't spread invasive species!!

      When a dog runs at you,whistle for him.
      Henry David Thoreau

      CL50-#23

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      • DRIFTER
        .
        • Sep 2007
        • 897

        #93
        Originally posted by 1894
        Can we please , just let the oil companies drill here in North America. We have lots of oil right here , the mid west , the contenental shelf off both shores , the gulf , and ,anwar. The tech is there with lots of oversite to make it happen and minimize any long or short term enviromental damage.
        Build some new refineries here in the US. The 30 + year old ones need to get replaced and upgraded , and we need more.
        Split some atoms for electricity , there is a place in the Pacific that inducts from the continental plates and would recycle the nuke waste back where it came from.
        [B] Stop buying oil from people that hate us [/B], get back to the old American princibles of being self sufficient. And keep what we make here in North America.
        Those things would bring down the cost of gas and heating oil for the short term and even out to mayby 50 years. In that time technology can be created and tested LONGER TERM to make sure we don't jump from the pan into the fire because we didn't look before we lept.
        What happens to those batteries that powered your green car when they wear out ? Those curly Q lightbulbs filled with mercury ?
        I'm not saying don't keep learning and making advancements , we need to. I'm saying that we can become much less dependent on oil from the mid east and veneswalia <sp> And then we can take the time to thoroughly test and improve the new techs BEFORE implimenting them.

        Rant off



        .........Sorry, that makes too much sense, have any other ideas?


        Gas just hit $4.00 per gallon on Long Island and everyone stopped talking about the constant rises....I guess we're getting used to being abused!

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        • spiralsands
          Member
          • Apr 2007
          • 116

          #94
          Originally posted by DRIFTER
          .........

          Gas just hit $4.00 per gallon on Long Island and everyone stopped talking about the constant rises....I guess we're getting used to being abused!
          My daughter and I have finally admitted we cannot take the trip up to Oppenheim this summer. I'm sick over it but I just can't justify spending a thousand dollars in gasoline. I hope my neighbor doesn't mind that my hay fields won't get cut.

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          • DRIFTER
            .
            • Sep 2007
            • 897

            #95
            Originally posted by spiralsands
            My daughter and I have finally admitted we cannot take the trip up to Oppenheim this summer. I'm sick over it but I just can't justify spending a thousand dollars in gasoline. I hope my neighbor doesn't mind that my hay fields won't get cut.
            ........Sorry about the trip! If you have a nearby farm, they will usually cut and bail your hay to use for their stock. If your a good negotiator, they may even make a nice garden area for you as part of the bargain.......Planting a garden might be a fun alternative to do with your daughter and around harvest time you can reap the rewards!
            Last edited by DRIFTER; 05-17-2008, 05:21 PM.

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            • LifeOutside
              Member
              • Apr 2008
              • 185

              #96
              I already have been paying 4 bucks a gallon. Darn engines today seem to run better on 91+ octane when its the fuel they say to pump into it. It's actually cheaper for me to put it in too, I ran a month on crap fuel, and one on high octane fuel that my truck requires.
              I'm still going to be out 4-5 times this summer, but it will cost me around 100-200 bucks each time in gas round trip from Syracuse to the Daks this summer depending on where I go. I'm trying to take long trips rather than 10-15 short weekenders. :/
              Tech by Day. Nature by Night.

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              • DRIFTER
                .
                • Sep 2007
                • 897

                #97
                Has anyone converted a diesel engine to burn vegetable oil.....I would be very interested in hearing whether this is a feasible option?






                ........Shifting gears for a moment, imagine the energy you could release with a couple of these!http://groceryeats.com/2008/02/24/my-god/38/
                Last edited by DRIFTER; 05-17-2008, 05:06 PM.

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                • redhawk
                  Senior Curmudgeon
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 10929

                  #98
                  Originally posted by DRIFTER
                  Has anyone converted a diesel engine to burn vegetable oil.....I would be very interested in hearing whether this is a feasible option?






                  ........Shifting gears for a moment, imagine the energy you could release with a couple of these!http://groceryeats.com/2008/02/24/my-god/38/
                  I don't know whether it was a diesel engine or not but....

                  A guide from Piseco, Mary Ellen Blakley had her car converted to run on the grease from local restaurants.

                  It's working fine.

                  Hawk
                  "If future generations are to remember us with gratitude rather than contempt, we must leave them more than the miracles of technology. We must leave them a glimpse of the world as it was in the beginning, not just after we got through with it." Lyndon B. Johnson

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                  • DRIFTER
                    .
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 897

                    #99
                    Originally posted by redhawk
                    I don't know whether it was a diesel engine or not but....

                    A guide from Piseco, Mary Ellen Blakley had her car converted to run on the grease from local restaurants.

                    It's working fine.

                    Hawk

                    .........Might be something to look into if the price keeps going the way it has been!

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                    • spiralsands
                      Member
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 116

                      #100
                      I recently remembered a guy from from a long time ago that I dated who used to talk about buying a new Chevy pickup truck and convert it to propane. I've been looking online to see if there are conversion kits for trucks like mine. I heard that power and mileage are compromised a bit but it's cheaper. How much is propane going for these days?

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                      • chairrock
                        Indian Mt.Club
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 2714

                        #101
                        diesel

                        Rudolf Diesel invented an engine TO run on vegy oil.Then petroleum diesel came along and vegy was forgotten.Diesel engines will run on vegy oil but it is too thick and gums up in the fuel lines etc.. You can "refine it" and it will work better. Also modern diesels' have hoses and plastic parts that are compromised by vegy diesel.
                        Home brewing kits are available for less than $1000 that can make 40 gallons a day from used frying oil from MickeyDs.
                        Add another $1000 or so to convert the cars fuel system.It is cheaper in the long run but maybe not for long as the supply of cheap used oil drys up.

                        Propane conversions have been around for awile. I don't know the economics of fuel costs and conversion.I do remember some guys from Colorado at the 1980 Oylymipics who had to fuel up their Dodge PU from a propane station, at the time it was cheaper becasue they werent paying "road taxes".
                        Google veggie diesel and there are 1000s of links....
                        Be careful, don't spread invasive species!!

                        When a dog runs at you,whistle for him.
                        Henry David Thoreau

                        CL50-#23

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                        • chairrock
                          Indian Mt.Club
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 2714

                          #102
                          Originally posted by 1894
                          Those curly Q lightbulbs filled with mercury ?
                          Yup, this is a problem....
                          Syndicated news and opinion website providing continuously updated headlines to top news and analysis sources.
                          Be careful, don't spread invasive species!!

                          When a dog runs at you,whistle for him.
                          Henry David Thoreau

                          CL50-#23

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                          • DRIFTER
                            .
                            • Sep 2007
                            • 897

                            #103
                            Originally posted by chairrock
                            at the time it was cheaper becasue they werent paying "road taxes".
                            ....
                            ..........I recently heard of a man who coverted his car to burn veggie oil and after some time received a bill in the mail for thousands of dollars in unpaid fuel taxes! If I remember right, he wound up having to pay them.......

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                            • chairrock
                              Indian Mt.Club
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 2714

                              #104
                              Originally posted by DRIFTER
                              ..........I recently heard of a man who coverted his car to burn veggie oil and after some time received a bill in the mail for thousands of dollars in unpaid fuel taxes! If I remember right, he wound up having to pay them.......
                              Thats why they dye "offroad diesel " red (for farmers and construction), same as homeheating oil, if they find any in your tank of your onroad vehicles its a huge fine.
                              Be careful, don't spread invasive species!!

                              When a dog runs at you,whistle for him.
                              Henry David Thoreau

                              CL50-#23

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                              • backwoodsman
                                Member
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 327

                                #105
                                Originally posted by chairrock
                                Good info. Thanks for that link chairrock
                                Last edited by backwoodsman; 05-18-2008, 02:45 PM.

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