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  • DRIFTER
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    • Sep 2007
    • 897

    #76
    Sorry for the source, but read these.......


    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/science/19carb.html


    And.....




    So you say, why aren't we hearing more of this?........DOLLARS AND CENTS, DOLLARS AND FINANCIAL SENSE!........GET IT! It all comes down to $$$$$$$$$




    MAROONS!
    ME INCLUDED!
    Last edited by DRIFTER; 05-12-2008, 07:04 PM.

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    • sp_nyp
      Mad Scientist
      • Sep 2006
      • 905

      #77
      the actual pdf from LANL

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      • randomscooter
        Native Earthling
        • Jul 2005
        • 1500

        #78
        I was just playing with some numbers a few weeks ago and determined that the break even point for shutting down an oil furnace and heating with electric is about $4.60 per gallon. That's the exact same figure quoted in the nytimes article for viability of the Green Freedom concept. And we're approaching it quickly. Seems that the marketplace (i.e., $$$$$) might be leading us toward solutions after all.

        And colden46's observation (below) applies not only to autos but to home heating ... there are some real advantages to consolidating the energy production into a few large sources rather than having an oil furnace in every home.

        Originally posted by colden46
        It doesn't completely defeat the purpose. Remember, given the choice between one giant plant burning fossil fuels (a power plant) and a million small ones (everyone's internal combustion engine), one giant plant is better. First and foremost, it is easier to install good pollution controls on one plant than on a million. And some small but significant percentage of our energy (~15%) is generated from renewable sources, or nuclear, and if/when that percentage increases hydrogen generation would likewise get cleaner. The same cannot be said for our automobiles.
        Scooting here and there
        Through the woods and up the peaks
        Random Scoots awaits (D.P.)


        "Pushing the limits of easy."™

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        • DRIFTER
          .
          • Sep 2007
          • 897

          #79
          Originally posted by randomscooter
          I was just playing with some numbers a few weeks ago and determined that the break even point for shutting down an oil furnace and heating with electric is about $4.60 per gallon. That's the exact same figure quoted in the nytimes article for viability of the Green Freedom concept. And we're approaching it quickly. Seems that the marketplace (i.e., $$$$$) might be leading us toward solutions after all.

          That's interesting, something to watch....

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          • Neil
            Admin

            • May 2004
            • 6131

            #80
            The best way to contribute to environmentally sustainable living practices is to be poor.




            I am willing to assist you in doing your part: Send me all your money.
            The best, the most successful adventurer, is the one having the most fun.

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            • randomscooter
              Native Earthling
              • Jul 2005
              • 1500

              #81
              Originally posted by Neil
              The best way to contribute to environmentally sustainable living practices is to be poor.
              Amen! And you KNOW that I speak from experience.

              I'll just throw in my extra $.01 ... being poor is in the pocketbook, being happy is in the heart and head. The two are less related than often believed.
              Scooting here and there
              Through the woods and up the peaks
              Random Scoots awaits (D.P.)


              "Pushing the limits of easy."™

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              • backwoodsman
                Member
                • Feb 2008
                • 327

                #82
                Originally posted by randomscooter
                Amen! And you KNOW that I speak from experience.

                I'll just throw in my extra $.01 ... being poor is in the pocketbook, being happy is in the heart and head. The two are less related than often believed.
                imho

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                • chairrock
                  Indian Mt.Club
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 2714

                  #83
                  Another tool to qauge YOUR carbon footprint..
                  Information about how daily activities such as driving or heating our homes can cause greenhouse gas emissions.
                  Be careful, don't spread invasive species!!

                  When a dog runs at you,whistle for him.
                  Henry David Thoreau

                  CL50-#23

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                  • spiralsands
                    Member
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 116

                    #84
                    A very (funny) small car...

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                    • Hobbitling
                      spring fever
                      • May 2006
                      • 2237

                      #85
                      that made my morning.

                      "cant imagine its very safe, since your knees are the crumple zone"

                      HA!
                      He found himself wondering at times, especially in the autumn, about the wild lands, and strange visions of mountains that he had never seen came into his dreams.

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                      • chairrock
                        Indian Mt.Club
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 2714

                        #86
                        Another small car did well....

                        Be careful, don't spread invasive species!!

                        When a dog runs at you,whistle for him.
                        Henry David Thoreau

                        CL50-#23

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                        • LifeOutside
                          Member
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 185

                          #87
                          I think we should just ditch cars and use air power instead.

                          Tech by Day. Nature by Night.

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                          • chairrock
                            Indian Mt.Club
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 2714

                            #88
                            carbon and nitrogen

                            Be careful, don't spread invasive species!!

                            When a dog runs at you,whistle for him.
                            Henry David Thoreau

                            CL50-#23

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                            • DRIFTER
                              .
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 897

                              #89
                              Originally posted by chairrock

                              ........Just passed one of these on the road yesterday, it was about the size of an MG MIDGET only taller....



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                              • 1894
                                Member
                                • May 2007
                                • 1341

                                #90
                                Can we please , just let the oil companies drill here in North America. We have lots of oil right here , the mid west , the contenental shelf off both shores , the gulf , and ,anwar. The tech is there with lots of oversite to make it happen and minimize any long or short term enviromental damage.
                                Build some new refineries here in the US. The 30 + year old ones need to get replaced and upgraded , and we need more.
                                Split some atoms for electricity , there is a place in the Pacific that inducts from the continental plates and would recycle the nuke waste back where it came from.
                                [B] Stop buying oil from people that hate us [/B], get back to the old American princibles of being self sufficient. And keep what we make here in North America.
                                Those things would bring down the cost of gas and heating oil for the short term and even out to mayby 50 years. In that time technology can be created and tested LONGER TERM to make sure we don't jump from the pan into the fire because we didn't look before we lept.
                                What happens to those batteries that powered your green car when they wear out ? Those curly Q lightbulbs filled with mercury ?
                                I'm not saying don't keep learning and making advancements , we need to. I'm saying that we can become much less dependent on oil from the mid east and veneswalia <sp> And then we can take the time to thoroughly test and improve the new techs BEFORE implimenting them.

                                Rant off
                                Phil



                                “The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.” —Herbert Spencer

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