Whitney Property for sale

[DuctTape]

Leases continue to term if any property is sold.

[bobrok]

Can someone tell me if this has ever happened once the Nature Conservancy has purchased the land? Because it seems that once they buy it they hold out for putting it in the best hands possible - New York State...to be added to the forest preserve.

It has. A few years after the Finch sale our club lease property was resold to two separate entities. About half was purchased by a Danish investment group and is being managed by a Georgia based lumber company. The other part was sold to 2 local individuals (private investors). All leases are still in effect, as well as some very active logging.

[forest dweller]

My guess is the Nature Conservancy will purchase the property, sell a Conservation easement to the state securing certain rights to the public. Then TNC will sell it to a TIMO, timber investment management Organization, and most of the property will remain private property, and a working forest. The easement will protect certain camps and other improvements, and others will be torn down. Any hunt clubs will lose their exclusivity, but be able to lease their existing camps and a small envelope surrounding it.

Can someone tell me if this has ever happened once the Nature Conservancy has purchased the land? Because it seems that once they buy it they hold out for putting it in the best hands possible - New York State...to be added to the forest preserve.

[montcalm]

montcalm, the State has a deforestation program. Check out DEC's "young forest initiative". DEC land managers in central NY are loving the concept of creating grassland bird habitat from wooded land. Commenting on their plans might be another place for you to grind your ax

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...l37bv0SVuZHaM3

Oh i'm very well aware of this, and it's very small areas of clear cut. I've actually been to see them. I found this fawn hiding among the fresh cut maple:



This has been done in other areas as well, particularly close to Lake Ontario to increase bird habitat. I believe the idea of this kind of thing is displacement - trying to make up for habitat destruction in other areas by creating artificial ones.

Most of CNY has little use for open field, the issue then is that it does not usually grow back to forest. Disturbances like this are what usually give way to White Pine stands. Large areas are really not that common though.

Also note this is a WMA (Wildlife Management Area) strategy mainly to please sportsmen. It has nothing to do with what is an ecologically proper forest architecture. The majority of NYS land IS NOT WMA.

I understand modern forestry is harvesting based on understanding of forest cycles and forest growth, but in no way is this "forest preserve". Despite all the superior wisdom I hear on this forum about our forest preserve, I've yet to hear anyone really comment on the positive impacts and what it means to move to back to a natural habitat some 300+ years after logging when seed trees have died off and we revert back to a natural cycle.

[St.Regis]

montcalm, the State has a deforestation program. Check out DEC's "young forest initiative". DEC land managers in central NY are loving the concept of creating grassland bird habitat from wooded land. Commenting on their plans might be another place for you to grind your ax

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/104218.html&ved=2ahUKEwjR4Z23lbXrAhXkTDABHWGjCMUQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw0F1hUmjYl37bv0SVuZHaM3

[stripperguy]

My guess is the Nature Conservancy will purchase the property, sell a Conservation easement to the state securing certain rights to the public. Then TNC will sell it to a TIMO, timber investment management Organization, and most of the property will remain private property, and a working forest. The easement will protect certain camps and other improvements, and others will be torn down. Any hunt clubs will lose their exclusivity, but be able to lease their existing camps and a small envelope surrounding it.

One can only hope...

[montcalm]

I think you should “step off “from your imagined high horse, and not try to stereotype people on this site because of their user name. So if the state purchases the Whitney Property, that will somehow change national and global situations ?

I don't know?

But I know we don't need any more "working forests" in NY state. Plenty of the state is already deforested, could be re-forested for future timber, and there are already hundreds of "working forests".

If you don't know what I mean by "national and global" situations, you ought to really do some study on our current environmental issues, both on a smaller scale that you can see and a larger scale which you cannot easily see.

And try not to have such thin skin - it wasn't an attack on you. Your s/n is Tug Hill - it was tongue-in-cheek.

[Tug Hill]

I understand how our structure works - I think you missed my point



But in essence, who do we really lease the land from? Who is the county?

And I saw it incorrectly stated earlier that towns and school districts lose this revenue if the state owns the land, that is not the case.

From an environmental standpoint, if you think that this land will be better off as working forest rather than forest preserve, I think you really ought to step off of Tug Hill and look at our national, and global situation.

I think you should “step off “from your imagined high horse, and not try to stereotype people on this site because of their user name. So if the state purchases the Whitney Property, that will somehow change national and global situations ?

[chairrock]

My guess is the Nature Conservancy will purchase the property, sell a Conservation easement to the state securing certain rights to the public. Then TNC will sell it to a TIMO, timber investment management Organization, and most of the property will remain private property, and a working forest. The easement will protect certain camps and other improvements, and others will be torn down. Any hunt clubs will lose their exclusivity, but be able to lease their existing camps and a small envelope surrounding it.

Wow, history repeats itself! Deja vu!! Where have I seen this before? Gooley Club? Walden pond! LOL
I hope they get the money together.

[montcalm]

You are not simply borrowing it, you are leasing it from the County, Town and school district. But as long as you pay your annual lease, school , county, Town tax, you call the shots within the boundaries of local laws.

Do not pay your property taxes for 3 years and see what happens.

I understand how our structure works - I think you missed my point



But in essence, who do we really lease the land from? Who is the county?

And I saw it incorrectly stated earlier that towns and school districts lose this revenue if the state owns the land, that is not the case.

From an environmental standpoint, if you think that this land will be better off as working forest rather than forest preserve, I think you really ought to step off of Tug Hill and look at our national, and global situation.

[Tug Hill]

Sorry I hurt your feelings.


I guess it's my fundamental belief that land doesn't belong to anyone, you simply borrow it for a certain time. I'd have no use for that much land for my life. I'd have no use for 180 million dollars.

And if you think I'm crazy, many have left their estates to ny state in their will. It's not unreasonable.

You are not simply borrowing it, you are leasing it from the County, Town and school district. But as long as you pay your annual lease, school , county, Town tax, you call the shots within the boundaries of local laws.

Do not pay your property taxes for 3 years and see what happens.

My guess is the Nature Conservancy will purchase the property, sell a Conservation easement to the state securing certain rights to the public. Then TNC will sell it to a TIMO, timber investment management Organization, and most of the property will remain private property, and a working forest. The easement will protect certain camps and other improvements, and others will be torn down. Any hunt clubs will lose their exclusivity, but be able to lease their existing camps and a small envelope surrounding it.

[serotonin]

The mansion is warm, at the top of the hill
Rich are the rooms and the comforts there
Red are the arms of luxuriant chairs
And you won't know a thing till you get inside

[montcalm]

Sorry I hurt your feelings.


Fact of the matter is he never had to make any of this public, he never had to announce to everyone that he wouldn't sell it to the state, he never had to say or do anything. He opened himself up to public opinion by putting all this out there, and from what I've read about his past, what I think of people who marry a wealthy, older person, and what he's said in recent interviews - I don't like him. I don't trust him, I think he thinks he's better than John Q. Public (which he may very be), and I think his timing and publicity on this whole thing speaks volumes to who he is.

I'm not saying I'm great or right, but if I would have inherited this I would have given it over to the forest preserve, no questions asked and I would have explicitly asked for it not to be publicized. I wouldn't have asked for a dime in return.

But that's me - and how I view things. I'm obviously going to have a negative view of him (which is my right, and I wouldn't be ashamed enough of it to say it to his face -- not that he would care).

I guess it's my fundamental belief that land doesn't belong to anyone, you simply borrow it for a certain time. I'd have no use for that much land for my life. I'd have no use for 180 million dollars.

And if you think I'm crazy, many have left their estates to ny state in their will. It's not unreasonable.

[poconoron]

I think he's a complete fake and a little rich boy who thinks he's better than everyone else.

It is fascinating to see how the faceless Internet makes warriors out of people like you to attack people you don't even know. Psychologists could have a field day studying the phenomena.

[montcalm]

And I think you've got quite a bit of nerve in impugning someone you know nothing about.

Sounds like a bit of class envy to me.................

Perhaps you should spend your energy defending those that need defending. I'm sure if I've slandered Mr. Whitney in any way, he can afford an attorney and doesn't need your services pro bono.