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It's not required. It's voluntary. Even says so in the link you provided. "Buy your voluntary Hike Safe card ..."
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If that wasn't true, would we have the country we live in today?
The problem with fees and taxes is that they go to the bureaucrats who choose how to spend it... and if you've read the Times recently you'd almost certainly think you could get more for your hard earned buck. It's not just the money, it's also priorities in albany and having reasonable assurance that money raised will go toward the intended purpose. Take the bottle and can deposit, which was supposed to go to EPF but only ~23M out of ~103M goes in EPF the rest is 'general' revenue...
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I don't know what your particular financial situation is nor do I care. Some of us are paying a TON of NYS income taxes which is supposed to fund state operations. These taxes are fiduciary money and should be spent wisely.
I "contribute" way too much to the NYS coffers as it is and don't want to pay a penny more. How about we get concessions from the government to reduce their spending rather than neverendingly increase ours? |
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As a private Consultant Forester who has worked directly for 10 years with DEC Forest Rangers who are the principle law enforcement agency on the private land that we manage. (Rangers are involved because of the Conservation Easment on the property.)
It is my observation that I really don’t know what they do to earn their pay ? |
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If you don't know what Forest Rangers do, the NYSDEC will send you frequent press releases, including recent Ranger activity, and any number of other relevant topics that you choose. Sign up on the NYSDEC web page.
See: http://www.dec.ny.gov/public/65855.html I was recently involved in a 2+ week SAR incident on WallFace, working with dozens of Rangers every day. Just before Christmas I worked with a similar number searching for a lost hunter near Cooperstown.
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I know on occasion they help search and rescue unprepared hikers in the High Peaks and lost unprepared hunters.
Given the new Fed tax bill, and Cuomo’s 4 billion dollar budget deficit, he will need to start cutting government expenditures instead of raising taxes to pay for more Rangers. |
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Quote:
http://www.dec.ny.gov/regulations/41086.html http://www.dec.ny.gov/regulations/2369.html http://www.dec.ny.gov/regulations/107667.html
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However, you have to realize that law enforcement is the primary function of ECOs and not all SFRs are ECOs. Further, all SFRs are stretched so thin that handling a complaint from a Forester on an easement (likely in the middle of nowhere) probably does not make the top priority list. Unfortunately, these days Rangers rarely make it beyond the end of that top priority list...
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Perhaps a judge will get a breach of contract case one day and make a determination. I wouldn't hold my breath... ![]()
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I don't like the idea of having to pay to use state land, but with the ever increasing foot traffic in some areas, and the corresponding erosion and rescue issues, some land use fees may come around sooner or later. Quote:
I don't know about paying for permits to use any state land, but paying for a permit to camp or hike in high-traffic areas (e.g. certain High Peaks trails) could be a way to deal with the increasing foot traffic in that area. |
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Example - how ORDA budget woes were fixed last year. I'm no expert on how 'the state' could justify charging a fee to enter High Peaks Wilderness and no fee for Dix, Pharoah or Whitney. Would such a system be legal? (as the law stands today)
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No thanks.
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