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Old 09-19-2019, 03:57 PM   #41
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I had no idea that people could get permits to fly airplanes from the Thruway, I had heard of emergency landings on highways but I always thought that was a more informal arrangement.

At least around here my understanding is that the DEC allows at-large camping in State Forest lands but that there is no camping in Wildlife Management Areas. I don't understand the reason for that but I'm sure there is one.
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Old 09-19-2019, 04:34 PM   #42
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I had no idea that people could get permits to fly airplanes from the Thruway, I had heard of emergency landings on highways but I always thought that was a more informal arrangement.
This is pure supposition on my part- but perhaps it's an outdated regulation, and it was something that was more common decades ago when traffic on the Thruway was much lower than today.

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At least around here my understanding is that the DEC allows at-large camping in State Forest lands but that there is no camping in Wildlife Management Areas. I don't understand the reason for that but I'm sure there is one.
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I would assume it has to do with how the Wildlife Management Areas are bought and paid for. Presumably, these lands are purchased using a combination of fees for hunting and fishing licenses, as well as tax dollars levied on hunting and fishing equipment through both the Pittman-Robertson Act and the Dingell-Johnson Act. In both cases, revenues provided through these sources are to be earmarked for habitat improvement projects only (I believe that this is true in the case of license fees, and I know that this is true in the case of the tax revenues through those two federal acts). Any access improvements made using these funds are to facilitate access for hunting and fishing specifically, with any outdoor recreational use on top of that to be purely incidental. Developing outdoor recreation destinations, as well as the general management of recreation-specific resources isn't something that these funds can be used for- so while non-hunting and non-fishing day use in wildlife management areas is tolerated, camping is explicitly prohibited as this is not what these areas were explicitly funded to be used for.

The PA Game Commission doesn't allow camping on PA Game Lands for similar reasons (exceptions were made for the Appalachian Trail, and that I believe was largely the result of federal intervention as well as strong volunteer support via the ATC on the resource management end of things that in turn lessens the burden on the PAGC). Fun fact: The PA Game Commission, because it is it's own entity separate from PA DCNR, receives zero funding from the PA state legislature. The Game Commission is entirely self-funded through hunting and fishing license sales, taxes on hunting and fishing equipment, and the sale of standing timber and mineral resources on Game Lands.

At some DEC boat launches you also can't park for more than 24 hours. I don't know for certain, but I always assumed that these boat launches were developed using Dingell-Johnson funds, and that by making them essentially "day use only" they are explicitly intended to cater more to the day fishing crowd and less to the overnight camping crowd.

Somewhat tangential but this has been a thread of tangents all along: I've increasingly felt that there should be a similar tax on hiking equipment, with the funds levied through said tax used for trail maintenance as well as the establishment of new destinations for outdoor recreation (new trails, new trailheads, new campsites/campgrounds, etc.). I don't even hunt or fish yet I agree somewhat with the sentiment that the hiking crowd largely doesn't pull it's weight (financially) in comparison to the long standing tradition of direct financial contributions to resource management and protection made by the hunting and fishing crowds. How many forum members here have ever purchased a Trail Supporter Patch? You can buy one anywhere hunting and fishing licenses are sold.
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Old 09-19-2019, 05:35 PM   #43
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I have a trail supporter patch. I also volunteer my time to maintain trails. I am fortunate to have the luxury to be able to do so.
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Old 09-19-2019, 07:00 PM   #44
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DSettahr, thank you very much. Your knowledge is, as always, truly encyclopedic. The WMA funding distinction makes sense, I was not aware of either of the Acts you referenced. I don't hunt or fish either but I will keep an eye out for a Trail Supporter patch to buy, though I am not sure what to put it on once I get it.
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Old 09-19-2019, 07:17 PM   #45
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The Erie Canal is under the jurisdiction of the Thruway, maybe this thread will drift to a float plane discussion.
I also recall a stop around 5 am on the Northway at the Glens Falls rest stop and there were at least a half-dozen hammocks set up. I didn't check to see if anyone was sleeping in them.
Believe it or not, the Northway has its own website (but then, who doesn't?). Here's an exciting tidbit from it:
The Northway doesn't have any real service areas like the Thruway, where you can get hot food, real coffee and fuel. But it has a few good rest stops that offer vending machines and clean bathrooms. Parking areas are just that, maybe a porta-potty but usually just a place to rest for a couple minutes. (my emphasis).
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Old 09-19-2019, 08:54 PM   #46
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How many forum members here have ever purchased a Trail Supporter Patch? You can buy one anywhere hunting and fishing licenses are sold.
Well, now that I know about it, I can say I have, (and just did.) ha!
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Old 09-19-2019, 09:40 PM   #47
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Well, now that I know about it, I can say I have, (and just did.) ha!
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