Adirondack Forum  
Rules Membership Donations and Online Store Adkhighpeaks Foundation ADKhighpeaks Forums ADKhighpeaks Wiki Disclaimer

Go Back   Adirondack Forum > The Adirondack Forum > General Adirondack Discussion
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 01-26-2016, 09:10 AM   #1
redxmoonx
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 8
New camper- primitive camping advice?

Me and 2 friends are planning to go primitive camping sometime in late april or early march.

we want primitive camping outside of a campsite. Is that possible in the ADK? Where should I look? I hear that Moose river plains is a good spot. are there any other good places to camp at that time? we also want to do a little hiking and fishing if possible. we want to stay out there for 3 nights MAYBE 4. we have a car.

any advice? places to camp? trails to walk? that sort of stuff?
thanks

Last edited by redxmoonx; 01-26-2016 at 10:17 AM..
redxmoonx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2016, 09:41 AM   #2
redxmoonx
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 8
also camping near water would be nice. somewhere where there isnt too much traffic and no loud motorboats would be nice.
and hows the weather around april and march? i read that it normally stays above 30?
redxmoonx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2016, 10:10 AM   #3
stripperguy
Hangin' by a thread
 
stripperguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Schenectady, NY
Posts: 3,672
I would recommend buying some of the Discover the Adirondacks series of guidebooks.
Most waters are still frozen in April, and the Mosse River Plains generally have the roads closed until after mud season, mid May most years...

As far as advice, start easy and become familiar with the regulations.

Last edited by stripperguy; 01-26-2016 at 09:32 PM..
stripperguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2016, 10:18 AM   #4
redxmoonx
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by stripperguy View Post
I would recommend buying some of the Discover the Adirondacks series of guidebooks.
Most waters are still frozen in April, and the Mosse River Plains generally have the roads closed until after mud season, mid May most years...

As far as advise, start easy and become familiar with the regulations.
thanks for the info.
i been spending a lot of time reading regulations and learning them.

is there another part where its good to camp during that time?
redxmoonx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2016, 10:25 AM   #5
All Downhill From Here
Longstrider
 
All Downhill From Here's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 207
You can camp almost everywhere in the wildernesses, provided you're 150' from water, trails, etc. Leave No Trace is key, and guard your food. Note that the "campsites" are just established areas that often have a privy, they're not KOAs. Most camping is essentially "primitive".

Depending on the area, it can be cold any time of year, I think the only time I didn't bring a fleece jacket was July4 weekend. The higher mountains can get snow any time of year. Plan Ahead And Prepare.
__________________
#9404
http://edthesmokebeard.com/
All Downhill From Here is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2016, 10:26 AM   #6
Wldrns
Member
 
Wldrns's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Western Adirondacks
Posts: 4,023
Please get familiar with a few important information web pages. The NYSDEC site has tons of official useful information, but the multiple pages can be confusing to navigate at first.

Start here for primitive camping information, along with the internal links....
http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/41282.html

Then understand the backcountry camping rules and guidelines from the larger set of regulations given here:
http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/7872.html

Many of the DEC regulations are based on Leave No Trace Principles. Please heed them.
https://lnt.org/learn/7-principles

Note that you are allowed to set up camp in the same spot for 3 nights only, unless you have a permit issued by a Ranger for a longer stay.

DEC Rangers are there to help you. After you select an area you think you would like to visit, call the ranger who covers that area for tips and the latest information on that location.

Region 6 is the western third of the Adiondacks
http://www.dec.ny.gov/about/679.html

Region 5 covers the eastern side.
http://www.dec.ny.gov/about/677.html

As Stripperguy mentioned, forget about planning to get into the Moose River Plains until mid-May at the earliest. The road is gated and locked until after mud season.

And I also highly recommend getting one or more editions of the Discover the Adirondacks series of guidebooks.
http://www.hiketheadirondacks.com/pa...ondacks_Series
__________________
"Now I see the secret of making the best person, it is to grow in the open air and to eat and sleep with the earth." -Walt Whitman
Wldrns is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2016, 10:28 AM   #7
Wldrns
Member
 
Wldrns's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Western Adirondacks
Posts: 4,023
Quote:
Originally Posted by redxmoonx View Post
is there another part where its good to camp during that time?
Yes, lots of places. The Adirondacks comprise approximately 6 million acres.
__________________
"Now I see the secret of making the best person, it is to grow in the open air and to eat and sleep with the earth." -Walt Whitman
Wldrns is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2016, 11:04 AM   #8
yellowcanoe
Member
 
yellowcanoe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Maine
Posts: 2,177
Quote:
Originally Posted by redxmoonx View Post
also camping near water would be nice. somewhere where there isnt too much traffic and no loud motorboats would be nice.
and hows the weather around april and march? i read that it normally stays above 30?
No.. sometimes the March weather is subzero. Snow may last till May.This winter its slow coming but March can bring a LOT of snow
No motorboats till ice out. That is toward May.
If you hike in April, snowshoes may be required. Average high in Lake Placid in March 40, low 16 with 19 inches of snow.

In March you may be near water but getting to it is another story. In April don't even think of going on the ice.
yellowcanoe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2016, 11:36 AM   #9
DSettahr
ɹǝqɯǝɯ
 
DSettahr's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,732
Yeah, late March is typically still winter in the Adirondacks.

Where are you located? There are other destinations that might better serve you that earlier in the season.
DSettahr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2016, 12:02 PM   #10
redxmoonx
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by yellowcanoe View Post
No.. sometimes the March weather is subzero. Snow may last till May.This winter its slow coming but March can bring a LOT of snow
No motorboats till ice out. That is toward May.
If you hike in April, snowshoes may be required. Average high in Lake Placid in March 40, low 16 with 19 inches of snow.

In March you may be near water but getting to it is another story. In April don't even think of going on the ice.
we dont actually want to get into the water, just be near it. mostly cause i think it would look nice.
redxmoonx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2016, 12:04 PM   #11
redxmoonx
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by DSettahr View Post
Yeah, late March is typically still winter in the Adirondacks.

Where are you located? There are other destinations that might better serve you that earlier in the season.
im in NYC. i just thought the ADKs would be nice. but if there is another place anywhere as nice where we could go i be open to that.
redxmoonx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2016, 12:07 PM   #12
redxmoonx
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wldrns View Post
Please get familiar with a few important information web pages. The NYSDEC site has tons of official useful information, but the multiple pages can be confusing to navigate at first.

Start here for primitive camping information, along with the internal links....
http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/41282.html

Then understand the backcountry camping rules and guidelines from the larger set of regulations given here:
http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/7872.html

Many of the DEC regulations are based on Leave No Trace Principles. Please heed them.
https://lnt.org/learn/7-principles

Note that you are allowed to set up camp in the same spot for 3 nights only, unless you have a permit issued by a Ranger for a longer stay.

DEC Rangers are there to help you. After you select an area you think you would like to visit, call the ranger who covers that area for tips and the latest information on that location.

Region 6 is the western third of the Adiondacks
http://www.dec.ny.gov/about/679.html

Region 5 covers the eastern side.
http://www.dec.ny.gov/about/677.html

As Stripperguy mentioned, forget about planning to get into the Moose River Plains until mid-May at the earliest. The road is gated and locked until after mud season.

And I also highly recommend getting one or more editions of the Discover the Adirondacks series of guidebooks.
http://www.hiketheadirondacks.com/pa...ondacks_Series
thank you for all the links. im already checking them out.

apart from the moose river plains. is there another place you would recommend?
redxmoonx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2016, 01:41 PM   #13
yellowcanoe
Member
 
yellowcanoe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Maine
Posts: 2,177
Quote:
Originally Posted by redxmoonx View Post
im in NYC. i just thought the ADKs would be nice. but if there is another place anywhere as nice where we could go i be open to that.
That kind of explains why you expect open water as in your area lakes are often open all winter.

I suggest going south. To Atsion Campground in the Pine Barrens. Its a primitive campground. There is quite a bit of hiking and canoeing year round there.
Best of all its close to you and worth investigating even if that is not what you want right now.

Another might be the Catskills. I know very little about that area.

NYC has had more snow than the Adirondacks I think! But it goes away..The stuff in the mountains hangs on.
yellowcanoe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2016, 01:44 PM   #14
redxmoonx
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by yellowcanoe View Post
That kind of explains why you expect open water as in your area lakes are often open all winter.

I suggest going south. To Atsion Campground in the Pine Barrens. Its a primitive campground. There is quite a bit of hiking and canoeing year round there.
Best of all its close to you and worth investigating even if that is not what you want right now.

Another might be the Catskills. I know very little about that area.

NYC has had more snow than the Adirondacks I think! But it goes away..The stuff in the mountains hangs on.
yea.. here snow goes away quick. but thanks for the info. im looking into catskills now, but i'll def keep atsion in mind
redxmoonx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2016, 04:18 PM   #15
DSettahr
ɹǝqɯǝɯ
 
DSettahr's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,732
If you're willing to do backpacking style camping, where you carry all of your gear on your back, Harriman State Park could be a good option. There are plenty of backcountry shelters there than you can camp in or pitch a tent at. The park is almost always snow-free by the end of March.

Harriman can be popular because it is so close to the city, but that early in the season it shouldn't be too busy.
DSettahr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2016, 04:26 PM   #16
Ydnabronn
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 35
I'll second the Harriman recommendation as a good tune up to the Adirondacks. Early to mid-spring shouldn't be that crowded. Then head to the Adirondacks in mid-June. It's an unwritten rule that all first time Adirondack primitive campers go this time of the year.
Ydnabronn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2016, 04:39 PM   #17
redxmoonx
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by DSettahr View Post
If you're willing to do backpacking style camping, where you carry all of your gear on your back, Harriman State Park could be a good option. There are plenty of backcountry shelters there than you can camp in or pitch a tent at. The park is almost always snow-free by the end of March.

Harriman can be popular because it is so close to the city, but that early in the season it shouldn't be too busy.
backpacking is def what we want to do so this sounds perfect.

its either this or Slide Mountain
redxmoonx is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
camping, hiking/fishing, primitive, primitive camping


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

DISCLAIMER: Use of these forums, and information found herein, is at your own risk. Use of this site by members and non-members alike is only granted by the adkhighpeak.com administration provided the terms and conditions found in the FULL DISCLAIMER have been read. Continued use of this site implies that you have read, understood and agree to the terms and conditions of this site. Any questions can be directed to the Administrator of this site.