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Old 09-17-2018, 04:59 PM   #1
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DEC Announces "no parking" on shoulder of rte. 73.

DEC Advises Hikers: State Will Permanently Prohibit Parking Along State Route 73 Near Roaring Brook Falls Trailhead


The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) today announced that the State is prohibiting parking on the shoulders of both lanes of State Route 73 near the Roaring Brook Falls Trailhead starting Friday, Sept. 21. The parking prohibition supports DEC's multi-year, comprehensive effort to promote sustainable tourism and address public safety in the Adirondacks.

Parking will be prohibited on the shoulder of the northbound lane from the entrance to the Roaring Brook Trailhead Parking area north to the bridge over Putnam Brook. Parking will be prohibited on the shoulder of the southbound lane between the guiderails south of Putnam Brook Bridge.

DEC encourages hikers to discover and visit the other numerous hiking opportunities in the area. The DEC web page, Hikes Outside the Adirondack High Peaks lists a dozen nearby hikes that provide a hiking experience similar to a High Peaks hike, including great scenic views, but with fewer people. The web page includes links to trail maps for each of the hikes, in English and French.

The New York State Department of Transportation (DOT) will install "No Parking" signs along these sections of the road by Friday, Sept. 21. DEC and DOT agreed to prohibiting parking in these two sections of this heavily used State highway to support ongoing efforts to promote sustainable tourism and protect public safety. There is limited sight distance because of the curve in the road and shoulders are narrow. Legal parking is not available where guiderails prevent vehicles from parking along the road to the right of the white line.

On busy weekend dozens of vehicles typically park in these sections. Due to the narrowness of the shoulder, occupants of vehicles open their doors into the lane of traffic and hikers have to walk in the highway to reach the trailhead. Closing these sections to parking will protect the safety of hikers and drivers.

The Roaring Brook Falls Trailhead is located in the town of Keene, Essex County. The trailhead provides access to Roaring Brook Falls, Giant Nubble, Giant Washbowl, and connects to the Ridge Trail for access to the summit of Giant Mountain.




http://www.dec.ny.gov/press/77537.html
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Old 09-17-2018, 07:09 PM   #2
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I may have to set off from home an hour earlier to get a parking spot.
So be it.
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Old 09-18-2018, 11:46 PM   #3
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Itís amazing to me that such activity is met with Ďcontrolí. Pave a few extra spots, and post the sheriff during the summer hiking season. Let the overtaxed residents of NY escape for a few hours on the trail, without fear of a fine.


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Old 09-24-2018, 02:27 PM   #4
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It’s amazing to me that such activity is met with ‘control’. Pave a few extra spots, and post the sheriff during the summer hiking season. Let the overtaxed residents of NY escape for a few hours on the trail, without fear of a fine.


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Perhaps you missed the part in the release about finding other locations that are not overused, promoting sustainability. Oh, and I am sure the few sheriff's up there have nothing better to do than police the area to prevent people who lack the intelligence to park where they are safe from the motorists using the highway for its primary purpose. Also, a quick read of the origins of many of the posters on here should inform you that a part of the overcrowding problem in the 'Dacks has nothing to do with the "overtaxed residents of NYS", but rather the part time residents from other states and Canada. FWIW, paving a few extra spots would likely involve some destruction of the timber, so that could require a constitutional amendment, Forever Wild and all that. Also there are two parking areas at this location already, and a look at the area in question using the walkingman tool on google maps says it should be posted no parking even without the overcrowding, it is simply not a safe place to park, very narrow shoulders and on a blind curve.
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Old 09-24-2018, 02:50 PM   #5
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The following was posted on our other forum yesterday. My takeaway is to never underestimate the power of the "osmotic suction" of the 46.

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I drove around yesterday to see first-hand the reaction to the various parking regulations in the Keene Valley region. Because they have lined but not yet fully posted the Giant Ridge Trail/Chapel Pond area, cars were everywhere along the road as usual. This was expected by the DEC and will change next year with the building of the 2 parking lots etc.The Round Pond Trailhead was overflowing onto the side of Rt. 73 (to the north where it isn't posted) and same with the New Russia lot for Rocky Peak Ridge and the Rooster Comb lot near the Noonmark Diner. Hurricane from Rt. 9N had 30 or so extra cars along the road...The area I was most interested in was regarding the new no parking signs around the Roaring Brook Falls/Ausable Club lots. A few cars were illegally parked on the Ausable Club road as usual and had tickets on them (the lot of course was full). People obeyed the new Rt. 73 signs north of the Roaring Brook Falls lot but many people parked at the end of the signs (legally) which put them near the northern (main) entrance to the Ausable Club. These hikers then figured out the short cut up the main Club road and past the Club House to their destination. Thus the flow onto AC property was from 2 directions and much more spread out over the club property. Later in the day a wedding reception was going on and an endless stream of hikers were coming out through the middle of it (which was held on the oval drive in front of the Club House). I imagine the Club won't be happy with this but that's just my opinion...This just goes to show that hikers are resilient and will find the shortest path to their destination! Also of note, the Roaring Brook Falls viewing pull-over on Rt. 73 (up on the hill just south of the actual parking lot) was totally full thus no scenic viewing yesterday and the 2 larger pull-over/lots further south were also full. Hikers were thus walking on the edge of Rt. 73 at the narrow, dangerous hill section where cars speed along with limited sight...No judgement on my part as I see this is a work in progress with no easy answers but it looks like this situation needs more tweaking to say the least...
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Old 09-24-2018, 05:31 PM   #6
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I'm not sure what the purpose of these new parking regulations is, but it's not going to stop people from parking beyond the No Parking region, which, really, is pretty short. Maybe it will discourage some people from parking there, but I doubt it!
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Old 09-25-2018, 11:49 AM   #7
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Question being, is it better or worse? For instance, the mention of walking on Route 73 where it is narrower, but is it better now if people can't park in those areas? Thus perhaps a longer walk but being able to walk out of the travel lanes when the shoulders aren't filled with vehicles.
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Old 09-25-2018, 12:13 PM   #8
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It's noticeably worse. I live here, and I drive through there all the time. This weekend featured BY FAR the largest number of hazardous walking and highway crossing situations I have ever seen there. Many more people were walking up and down Roaring Brook Falls hill on route 73, where the road is steep, narrow and winding with no shoulder. Also, people were walking further along the road north of there, and many people were crossing the road to walk up or down the paved "other driveway" to the Ausable Club (steep, narrow and winding).

This new set up is obviously dangerous. The stated purpose was to reduce the number of hikers on the trail and to improve traffic safety. It did nothing to reduce the number of hikers, and the traffic situation is obviously more dangerous than it was. It's only a matter of time before someone gets hurt as a result of this dangerous and foolish change.

This is a total failure, as was easily (and loudly) predicted. Watch for the news reports in the next couple weeks from Albany and the Adirondack Council about how successful this was, but know the truth.
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Old 09-25-2018, 12:37 PM   #9
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. Watch for the news reports in the next couple weeks from Albany and the Adirondack Council about how successful this was, but know the truth.
Perhaps they are trying to protect the trails from us, by picking us off one by one on the road as we walk to the trailhead!
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Old 09-25-2018, 02:51 PM   #10
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Why not just follow the other half of the advise and find another place to hike if all the legitimate parking is taken? But yes, this is just NYSDEC doing their part to thin the herd....

A friend asked me why the registers aren't electronic, just swipe your e-permit and go, no writing, hoping the pen works, etc. I laughed and told him about the budget woes in the great "Empire State hiker magnet". Maybe a user fee would allow for management of all this in a fair and equitable way.
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Old 09-29-2018, 07:54 PM   #11
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Why not just follow the other half of the advise and find another place to hike if all the legitimate parking is taken? But yes, this is just NYSDEC doing their part to thin the herd....



A friend asked me why the registers aren't electronic, just swipe your e-permit and go, no writing, hoping the pen works, etc. I laughed and told him about the budget woes in the great "Empire State hiker magnet". Maybe a user fee would allow for management of all this in a fair and equitable way.


Budget Woes? NYís budget exceeds that of Norway, an oil rich Alpine nation of 6MM, by at least two orders of magnitude. One less architectural feature at the DEC office on Wolf Road, would pay for the paving and walkways.




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Old 09-30-2018, 12:12 AM   #12
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Why not just follow the other half of the advise and find another place to hike if all the legitimate parking is taken? But yes, this is just NYSDEC doing their part to thin the herd....

A friend asked me why the registers aren't electronic, just swipe your e-permit and go, no writing, hoping the pen works, etc. I laughed and told him about the budget woes in the great "Empire State hiker magnet". Maybe a user fee would allow for management of all this in a fair and equitable way.
Call me cynical, but I think any electronic swiping device at a trailhead would be vandalized in short order because people.
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Old 09-30-2018, 12:41 PM   #13
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I was very tongue in cheek about swipe entry, it was a question from someone who has not been to the " backcountry."
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Old 09-30-2018, 12:47 PM   #14
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The following was posted on our other forum yesterday. My takeaway is to never underestimate the power of the "osmotic suction" of the 46.
Certainly. employment of free market economics (not very popular in socialist NYS) would say that if the demand for something exceeds the supply, the price rises. Things of value that are treated as free goods get overused and degraded, which seems to be a common complaint on this site.
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Old 09-30-2018, 02:18 PM   #15
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With satellite tech itís probably doable. Impractical, but doable.
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Old 09-30-2018, 08:17 PM   #16
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I just plan on getting to these lots insanely early (as in before dawn) if I "need" to climb these peaks on weekends. I bring breakfast with me and eat in the lot. I have never had to park on the road when I have made the effort to get there very early (AC lot at least 5x, Giant lot, Round Pond, and even Garden 3x), and I end up passing myriad people walking along road on my way out...

There will be permits required before long, and won't that be fun. The place is being loved to death.
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Old 09-30-2018, 10:33 PM   #17
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They should take speeding on that road more seriously. I was doing 50 ish and someone got right on my bumper. At parts where there are 2 lanes people fly by doing at least 65. Those are the nut jobs that will kill people.
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They should take speeding on that road more seriously. I was doing 50 ish and someone got right on my bumper. At parts where there are 2 lanes people fly by doing at least 65. Those are the nut jobs that will kill people.
I agree. Getting across 73 from the designated parking area for the Boquet path to Grace was like a game of Frogger, only not so funny. Then crossing the bridge (that has no sidewalk) to get to the "trailhead" was also not so safe. People were flying.
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Old 10-01-2018, 10:54 AM   #19
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And the shame of it is, there is a perfectly good parking area on the trail side of the road that has deteriorated to the point that most cars would have trouble getting to it. It would be easy to do the maintenance to rehab, and possibly expand a bit, this lot that would create safe parking for several cars. But nope. Something obvious and inexpensive that would improve safety? Forget it.
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Old 10-01-2018, 01:12 PM   #20
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How would addition of more parking fulfill the objective of creating "sustainable tourism"? More Parking = more people = more wear and tear on trails= maybe more toilet paper blossoms, noise, maybe even waiting in line to get through difficult stretches. As things are currently defined, I can only get one permit per year to camp more than 3 nights in what I see as a normally underused area like the Moose River Plains. Sounds like some of you may be going up in this area on a week(end)ly basis. Some kind of limited use permit system with an associated fee would cut down on the overcrowding, and provide the needed revenue for the improvements everyone currently wants the general fund (read the nonhiking population of NYS) to pay for.
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