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Old 11-26-2019, 06:43 AM   #21
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58 rover: Do you use lead core, the typical 18 pound test? If so, you must put a lot of line out to get 30 feet down.
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Old 11-26-2019, 06:45 AM   #22
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Thanks, Pauly. I'm late to the party here but this is great info.
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Old 11-26-2019, 08:48 PM   #23
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You use lead core, the typical 18 pound test?
I did. When I originally wrote this post I was trolling with lead core. Since then I've switched over to the dark side better known as stillwater fly fishing.

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Old 11-28-2019, 10:05 AM   #24
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Old 11-28-2019, 01:06 PM   #25
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When I troll for Lake Trout, I prefer using a 3 way swivel as opposed to lead core. I use braided line and can vary the weight used depending on the size/resistance the spoon provides and depth I need to achieve. I would also recommend trolling where the thermocline meets the bottom, often about 30 feet deep in most lakes I fish. I also suspect that the sinker stirs up the bottom a bit as it bounces, adding to the attraction for the fish. Ice fishermen will often "pound the bottom" with their offering as it sometimes will trigger a strike.
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Old 11-28-2019, 01:54 PM   #26
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Some good advice Eagle. I'll need to try that sometime. That's how I fish for Steelhead in winter on the drift boat. Bounce the sinker off the rocks and troll behind with a long leader on a 3 way. I bet the fish hear the sinker bouncing off the rocks and at least give it a look.
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Old 11-28-2019, 02:33 PM   #27
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We catch quite a few suspended lakers in Fulton 4 in the summer, as well as getting them pulling copper line on the bottom. Downriggers are limited in a lot of ADK lakes because the bottom changes so rapidly, working wire or lead core at the thermocline doesn't have the interference with the bottom, and you are constantly feeling for the rocks with the copper line rig. Downriggers are also very difficult to use unless you are using a motor, as is copper or wire, but I can run two lead cores out of a rowboat with minimal difficulty.
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Old 12-01-2019, 01:52 AM   #28
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Thanks!

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Just wanted to share some stuff I've been experimenting with and get your opinions. I've been trolling SLOW with my Hornbeck using both 14# and 18# lead core line to get deeper during the heat. I found that the 18# is much more repeatable in terms of line-out versus running depth. Its a bit bigger but much heavier and I think it cuts through the current and thermocline better without "bellying". Depth is measured with a Fish Hawk temperature & depth gauge. The body of water is Moreau Lake near Saratoga. I have a #1 Wabbler at the end of a 12 foot leader.

Line out Depth
20 13
25 17
30 20
35 21
40 26
45 34
50 37
55 41
60 48

The thermocline is between 20-25 feet where the temperature drops from 75 to 65 degrees sharply.

Depth Temperature
0 80
5 80
10 79
15 77
20 75
25 65
30 58
35 52
40 50
45 48

From what I read Rainbow Trout like to be at temperatures between 55 - 60 degrees. I've found that if I fish at the these temperatures that I do much better than fishing at the bottom where the temperature is only 48 degrees. I used to think that trout always stay near the bottom where there is cover but I've been told that there is no oxygen near the bottom so they don't move around to feed.

Any thoughts? Do you guys fish at the bottom during the summer or try to fish near the thermocline?
Thanks for this great info! I troll with two fly rods in ADK ponds and basically cover the 10 to 20 foot contour lines around the pond. I think I'm running about 12 feet deep. Brook trout, or any trout for that matter, have to come in close to shore to feet on bait fish unless they have smelt or alewives out deep.
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Old 12-01-2019, 01:56 AM   #29
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When I troll for Lake Trout, I prefer using a 3 way swivel as opposed to lead core. I use braided line and can vary the weight used depending on the size/resistance the spoon provides and depth I need to achieve. I would also recommend trolling where the thermocline meets the bottom, often about 30 feet deep in most lakes I fish. I also suspect that the sinker stirs up the bottom a bit as it bounces, adding to the attraction for the fish. Ice fishermen will often "pound the bottom" with their offering as it sometimes will trigger a strike.
You nailed it! Where the thermocline meets the bottom can be a great area. If anyone is confused about how to find the thermocline one thing I do, besides looking at the abundance of fish on the FF screen at the thermocline level, is crank up the sensitivity for a second or two. The cold, dense water of the thermocline will turn solid black on my FF.
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Old 12-01-2019, 12:13 PM   #30
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Moreau Rainbows

I use a 9' salmon rod with 6lb test line. At the end of the line I have a barrel swivel with a large float and beyond that 8' of 2 lbs test line. At the end of the 2 lb test line i have a #14 Dry Light Cahill or #14 Mosquito Dry Fly. I go to the Northeast corner of the lake and watch for rising rainbows. Once you see them cast out in front of them and pull back just before the cork hit the water to set your dry fly on the surface. They will work their way to your fly and sip it under, so you have to be very watchful.
Now until the ice sets up is the best time to get the rainbows this way.

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