It would be grand to go out tonight and hear a coyote wail.
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Originally posted by Hard Scrabble View PostI would hardly call modern buyers and sellers of livestock "Drovers".
The term brings memories of the long ago cattle drives when ranchers herded their cattle to market in western Canada and the US.
Ontario could not compete with the western provinces in beef cattle production due to the topography.
Ontario, for the most part is a dairy industry.
New Liskiard is a point that i would make. There's a huge statue of a dairy cow on the roadside when you approach from the south.
Jim
First I stated "my in laws were huge cattle drovers." Although you still hear the term today it would be less than 20 years ago. Long gone are the days when a man(Drover) could travel country roads with his cattle truck buying a few cattle off farmers, taking them to sale and making a reasonable return. Like any other industry its all about smaller margins and volume.
Agriculture in Ontario derives much of its nomenclature from the British Isles. In England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland the term "Drover" was synonymous with livestock dealer. The term predates cattle "drives" in the Western US by centuries. My in laws were Drovers in Ireland for generations before coming to Canada. They were the middlemen, wholesalers and speculators between farmers and market, meatpacker.
Ontario is 1st in sheep. 2nd in beef and dairy so I'd hardly call it dairy country. Most of Ontario is Boreal Forest or Canadian Shield. An agricultural wasteland. New Liskeard is in a pocket of fertile soil called the Clay Belt which is surrounded on all sides by Boreal Forests.Izaak Walton a great writer? He can't even spell COMPLETE.
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Originally posted by Gman View PostSit down Jimmy and I'll give you another lesson.
First I stated "my in laws were huge cattle drovers." Although you still hear the term today it would be less than 20 years ago. Long gone are the days when a man(Drover) could travel country roads with his cattle truck buying a few cattle off farmers, taking them to sale and making a reasonable return. Like any other industry its all about smaller margins and volume.
Agriculture in Ontario derives much of its nomenclature from the British Isles. In England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland the term "Drover" was synonymous with livestock dealer. The term predates cattle "drives" in the Western US by centuries. My in laws were Drovers in Ireland for generations before coming to Canada. They were the middlemen, wholesalers and speculators between farmers and market, meatpacker.
Ontario is 1st in sheep. 2nd in beef and dairy so I'd hardly call it dairy country. Most of Ontario is Boreal Forest or Canadian Shield. An agricultural wasteland. New Liskeard is in a pocket of fertile soil called the Clay Belt which is surrounded on all sides by Boreal Forests.
I never cease to be amazed by the minutia some folks present.
How did this thread about coyotes translate into a conversation about cattle "droving" in the British Isles???
JimLast edited by Hard Scrabble; 02-26-2017, 05:29 PM.
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Originally posted by Hard Scrabble View PostBuck,
i don't think that there's a state in the US that doesn't have a coyote population.
I kinda like hearing them.
Jim
The contest that inspired the start of this threat resulted in a record 85 coyotes being harvested.
Meanwhile, over in Vermont...
Life's short, hunt hard!
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Originally posted by Buckladd View PostWe had two of them around for much of the fall and winter. One is a short, stubby critter with a wounded front leg that I saw a few times during deer season. The other is very healthy. We haven't heard them in a few weeks but I did hear a shot one night just after dark.
The contest that inspired the start of this threat resulted in a record 85 coyotes being harvested.
Originally posted by Buckladd View PostMeanwhile, over in Vermont...
https://www.facebook.com/Vermontcoyo...MELINE&fref=nf
Also, the conflicting justifications they offer for why coyote hunting should be stopped never ceases to amaze me:
On the one hand, they say that coyote numbers can't be controlled through traditional hunting and trapping (which is partially true, though it's a very nuanced conversation). Ergo, there should be no reason to hunt them.
Yet, on the other hand, they say coyotes play a vital role in controlling smaller game and rodents which can spread disease if overpopulated (which is also true); hunting them will thus destroy the ecosystem's natural balance.
So which is it? The hunting should be stopped because its pointless and ineffective? Or is it that we are culling too many of them and are causing damage to the ecosystem?
The fact (which they refuse to acknowledge), is that the coyote population is thriving here in the northeast (and pretty much everywhere where wolves aren't). And so long as that is the case, they should be open to hunting and trapping.
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Originally posted by Bounder45 View PostSo which is it? The hunting should be stopped because its pointless and ineffective? Or is it that we are culling too many of them and are causing damage to the ecosystem?
The fact (which they refuse to acknowledge), is that the coyote population is thriving here in the northeast (and pretty much everywhere where wolves aren't). And so long as that is the case, they should be open to hunting and trapping.Life's short, hunt hard!
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Originally posted by Bounder45 View PostDoesn't surprise me. I doubt most of these groups, if any, really understand what kind of work and skill is involved in coyote hunting (with calls or with dogs) but yet they are ready to condemn it from afar.
BTW not much work or skill. Maybe responsibility making shots not above your skill level so you don't get what the half-wits call "spinners" and "helicopter dogs".Last edited by Gman; 03-16-2017, 02:24 PM.Izaak Walton a great writer? He can't even spell COMPLETE.
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Originally posted by Gman View PostSo in your way of thinking if only someone who thought it wrong would only appreciate the work and skill involved and hang out with a bunch of coyote hunters they'd see their error.
BTW not much work or skill. Maybe responsibility making shots not above your skill level so you don't get what the half-wits call "spinners" and "helicopter dogs".
Gman, you may not like it, but it is hunting in every sense of the word. If you ever feel like putting your money where your mouth is, I'd be more than willing to have you out for a hunt and you can see for yourself what kind of work and skill is involved....fyi, the killing shot is often the least difficult aspect of predator hunting. The setup, preparation and training is what defines a successful predator hunter.
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Originally posted by Gman View PostI bet I've shot far more coyotes than you will ever shoot. So thanks for the invite but I doubt there is anything you can teach me.
In my area, the coyotes know very well what us hunters are trying to do, and because of that hunting them, especially during the daytime, is very difficult. It's gotten to the point where calling during the day has very limited effectiveness. So hunters either hunt them at night or hunt with dogs. I'll wager that I've burned more calories on hound hunts than what the average person burns while hunting for deer. It can be very demanding at times, and if you don't know what you're doing, or the dogs aren't well-trained, the coyotes will run circles around you for hours before escaping into an off-limits block of woods or property. Heck, there are many times when we have all our ducks in a row and the coyote still gets the upper hand on us.
Hhmmm...maybe you need to invite me up to your neck of the woods so I can experience for myself some easy coyote hunts.
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"I think what divides people's opinions on wildlife issues, especially as it relates to predators, is where they live and what they experience on a daily basis. Someone herding sheep in eastern Washington or monitoring elk numbers in the Yellowstone ecosystem is going to have a very different perspective on predator management than say someone reading ADK magazine or watching a Nat Geo special from the comfort of their suburban home. That's why it's important for people to step outside themselves from time to time and try to analyze issues from other perspectives. "
I think this comment holds much truth, yet admit that it is a generalization and it doesn't just apply to predators. I'm amused that someone thinks that coyotes are going to put a dent in the rodent population. IMO they have about as much chance of doing that as hunters have at eradicating coyotes.
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A mother, with her baby, had to fend off an aggressive coyote in attack mode on Monday, in the Southern California community of Ladera Ranch. The coyote finally moved on when it apparently realized it wasn’t going to get the baby, but continued on in a bold rampage through the suburban neighborhood to kill two […]
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