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Old 05-20-2019, 01:42 PM   #1
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Stashed boats

I know this has been asked before- but can one legally leave a boat on the shore of a remote river/lake/pond in the Adirondacks? I know we have seen them at the end of almost every water hike in the Park we have taken and it seems like a good idea, but what is the legality? And if one leaves them, are they now public property for anyone to use?
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Old 05-20-2019, 02:17 PM   #2
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I know this has been asked before- but can one legally leave a boat on the shore of a remote river/lake/pond in the Adirondacks?

In a word NO!


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I know we have seen them at the end of almost every water hike in the Park we have taken and it seems like a good idea, but what is the legality?

Not Legal!


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And if one leaves them, are they now public property for anyone to use?

Yes, but if the rightful owner shows up, you should let him (or her) have it!



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Old 05-20-2019, 04:10 PM   #3
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It is definitely not legal to leave private property (such as a boat) on public property. You may camp and leave your campsite set up for a maximum of 3 days without getting a permit. Longer than than that and you are subject to a fine. If you abandon a boat, it is littering, also illegal. Historically, rangers have turned the other way at the many boats left stashed near wilderness lake and pond shores, but that is not always the case today. Technically, if you do take one out for a paddle or row, you are also subject to a fine if you do not have a PFD on board. You will not generally find servicable PFDs under such stashed boats.
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Old 05-20-2019, 11:46 PM   #4
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Also there are stretches of private property, even on "public" lakes & streams -- I've often seen small boats on shores the map indicates are private, presumably at the end of private trails.
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Old 05-21-2019, 09:33 AM   #5
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I did argue with a ranger a couple of years ago, that my boat left at a pond while I camped nearby, was part of my camping gear. The only reason I was camping was to fish, and as far as I am concerned, I do less environmental damage by leaving the boat for my three nights and four days than if I wheeled it in and out twice a day, or camped right by the pond even in a designated site. She didn't disagree, and told me that I would not have had a problem if I had not locked the boat up, which I had never done until the state made noise about leaving boats and other fishers impressed the liability issue on me. If I had been ticketed, I would have also argued that my boat is a wildlife viewing blind for watching brook trout, but any judge familiar with my catch rate may have doubted that (LOL!)

Stashed boats almost never have oars or paddles (porcupines love to eat them), but an inexpensive plastic and aluminum canoe paddle makes a fair walking stick and a pfd straps on the outside of a day pack and adds little in total weight.

The old unwritten rule on boats in the 'daks, which I learned from Ann LaBastille, was return it in the same or better shape to where you found it, and surrender it if challenged. I generally leave a couple of flies in the one that I use (it is now stored on private land, but I have been given permission, including where to look for it.)
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Old 05-21-2019, 01:21 PM   #6
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The old unwritten rule on boats in the 'daks, which I learned from Ann LaBastille, was return it in the same or better shape to where you found it, and surrender it if challenged.
Agreed & same here, except not from Anne, but from the many old timers Iíve met & chatted with on my adventures over the years. And Iíve never once heard them use the word Ďdaks.
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Old 05-21-2019, 02:45 PM   #7
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One of the problems is the number of people who leave a boat behind. They're often too lazy to haul it back out and figure if they see one left behind, it's ok for them to do it. Pharaoh Lake is practically a marina.
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Old 05-21-2019, 08:14 PM   #8
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Once stumbled on an old canoe with paddles on Cedar Lakes. Had a blast paddling around and put it back where I found it, complete with some duct tape (always bring some when camping) to patch up a couple of small holes. Was a nice surprise and added to what was a fantastic trip.
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Old 05-21-2019, 08:21 PM   #9
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The better boats may have paddles or oars stashed in a hidden place not far away. Lacking that, I have seen all manner of innovative paddles left behind made from branches and other odds and ends. My favorite was a wide bracket fungus lashed to a forked stick. How do you do the Canadian stroke with that? The most practical was a forked stick with layers of duct tape forming the paddle blade.
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Old 05-21-2019, 10:42 PM   #10
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Like all trash, it seems people can manage to haul it in, but can never manage to haul it out. Lots of clean up needed, but no resources to do it...
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Old 05-22-2019, 09:37 AM   #11
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Agreed & same here, except not from Anne, but from the many old timers Iíve met & chatted with on my adventures over the years. And Iíve never once heard them use the word Ďdaks.
I never knew too many that typed at all. And I'm pretty lazy and a bad speller!
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Old 05-22-2019, 08:11 PM   #12
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Thanks all- that's about what i was thinking.
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Old 05-22-2019, 08:42 PM   #13
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We've been over this:

http://www.adkforum.com/showthread.php?t=13475

Anybody leaving a canoe in the park is leaving garbage behind for others to deal with. The owners of these boats have no exit plan for them and unless others take it upon themselves to remove them, they will stay permanently. As garbage.

I for one am doing something about it. So are others. Don't leave your boat on any pond I frequent. I will remove it if I can, possibly in pieces to make the carry easier.
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Old 05-22-2019, 09:04 PM   #14
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Nice back and forth here. In summary, it's nice to find a boat when you don't have one, but don't leave one behind...
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Old 05-23-2019, 06:33 AM   #15
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Maybe the locations of the abandoned boats should be listed for all to see. One persons trash can be the next persons treasure. That way if the boat was first stolen then stashed/abandoned the new owner can show an abandonment history if approached by authorities.
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Old 05-23-2019, 07:12 AM   #16
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Maybe the locations of the abandoned boats should be listed for all to see. One persons trash can be the next persons treasure. That way if the boat was first stolen then stashed/abandoned the new owner can show an abandonment history if approached by authorities.
Personally, and with others I know as well, the true treasure in this idea would be to clean up the junk and return the lake shores to a pristine wilderness. Get rid of the illegal junk and the litter. If you really want to paddle a remote pond, there are easily transportable lightweight boats to carry in and out when you are finished.I would hope and expect that responsible rangers would find such a list useful and actionable.
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Old 05-23-2019, 07:47 AM   #17
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Nice back and forth here. In summary, it's nice to find a boat when you don't have one, but don't leave one behind...
At least not where the Vermonter can find it!

I'd be cautious if I had to walk back in the woods to dig a gunundawe, and spend any time at it, too, you could come back and find your boat all cut up.

I know that the state law gives state personnel the right to take an "abandoned" boat that is left on NYS land. I did not know that that right extended to anyone who happens on the boat (perhaps someone can quote the specific section and language of the law?). Maybe another double standard on a slippery slope?
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At least not where the Vermonter can find it!
To be fair, Iím only removing the most egregious violations. The boats that Iíve removed have been there for years. A couple wouldnít even float. Iím only one person and there are unfortunately hundreds of stashed boats. I drag them to the road and leave a message with the DEC. I have no idea where they go after that but it has eliminated the problem on a few ponds.
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To be fair, Iím only removing the most egregious violations. The boats that Iíve removed have been there for years. A couple wouldnít even float.
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