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Old 04-26-2019, 01:40 PM   #21
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I agree, the Shadow is "tippy" That's why I bought the Rapidfire. I hadn't paddled a canoe in forty years so I'm sure I was overly sensitive but I felt comfortable in the RF
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Old 04-26-2019, 02:12 PM   #22
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I sold my 17.5' Perception kayak last summer...and am in the market for a canoe now myself. I paddled the RapidFire a couple of years ago, and absolutely loved it. They also now have the Oseetah, which is between the RapidFire and SpitFire in size, I gather..
No, the Oseetah is actually a kind of C2 tandem that is often paddled with a double blade paddle from both bow and stern positions. Not the mode I would use if I was looking for a canoe.

When thinking price, consider a quality canoe as a long term enjoyable useful investment that you will enjoy for a long time and not wish for something else. If you don't like the RF after you get it, it does tend to have very good resale value. You don't ever see many of them on the after market.
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Old 04-26-2019, 02:15 PM   #23
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No, the Oseetah is actually a kind of C2 tandem that is often paddled with a double blade paddle from both bow and stern positions. Not the mode I would use if I was looking for a canoe.
They keep showing it as a solo on their FB page, and describe it as a "downsized RapidFire". Are you thinking of the Ohneka?
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Old 04-26-2019, 02:22 PM   #24
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They keep showing it as a solo on their FB page, and describe it as a "downsized RapidFire". Are you thinking of the Ohneka?
Right, my mistake.
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Old 04-26-2019, 02:49 PM   #25
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Someone has mentioned "quality", and I'm wondering why the substantial price delta between Hornbecks & Placid/Swift. Is this price delta related to the quality of materials/manufacturing or is it the business model of Hornbeck is direct to customer vs Swift which sells thru dealers. Placid is direct & dealers I believe. I priced the Swift on their website and in Canadian $ its $3,100, which converts to about $2,300 US$. Yet I see prices at US dealers of around $3,000. For the Swift, it would save a person money to travel up to their store near Algonquin, buy the canoe, use it, and then bring it back to the US.
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Old 04-26-2019, 02:55 PM   #26
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I wasn't associating "quality" more to any one of the aforementioned canoes more than any other in similar price range. Now if someone introduces Coleman or Radison into the mix, that is a far different story.
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Old 04-27-2019, 10:55 AM   #27
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I use the Sawyer Autumn Mist that I have had since the late 80s on "big water" and my Hornbeck on ponds and small streams. I have a snap-on spray cover for the Sawyer that helps in rough water or bad weather.
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Old 04-28-2019, 06:17 PM   #28
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Someone has mentioned "quality", and I'm wondering why the substantial price delta between Hornbecks & Placid/Swift. Is this price delta related to the quality of materials/manufacturing or is it the business model of Hornbeck is direct to customer vs Swift which sells thru dealers. Placid is direct & dealers I believe. I priced the Swift on their website and in Canadian $ its $3,100, which converts to about $2,300 US$. Yet I see prices at US dealers of around $3,000. For the Swift, it would save a person money to travel up to their store near Algonquin, buy the canoe, use it, and then bring it back to the US.
For Swift, you can save a little, but not as much as you think; when you add in the HST of 13% that they will charge you regardless of your nationality (in the old days you could file a claim and get that back but no more) plus gas and tolls, it's almost not worth it. As for quality, I had a Hornbeck 12, a Swift 13.6 Pack and currently have a PB Spitfire 13; the Hornbeck is a no-frills boat with a sole goal of minimal weight, it is so fragile that P Hornbeck created a video on how to enter and exit because folks were buckling the sides by putting weight on the gunnels. I can't speak to the Blackjack, tho. Quality is superb on Swift and Placid, but each has other pros and cons.
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Old 04-28-2019, 07:41 PM   #29
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Paddle the Hornbeck for distance

I bought a 16 ft Carbon Hornbeck from Peter 11 years ago and I can not say enough good about it. 24lbs and I can keep up with everyone, despite weighing 300lbs. I was a kayaker for the most part, canoe as well, so this boat was the best of both worlds. plenty of room for gear and has float bags when I want to hit Champlain. The low center of gravity is a real. By no means throwing shade at the other boats, but the Hornbeck will be traveling out to Lows this weekend for our annual Ice Out
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Old 04-28-2019, 07:42 PM   #30
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Paddle the Hornbeck for distance

I bought a 16 ft Carbon Hornbeck from Peter 11 years ago and I can not say enough good about it. 24lbs and I can keep up with everyone, despite weighing 300lbs. I was a kayaker for the most part, canoe as well, so this boat was the best of both worlds. plenty of room for gear and has float bags when I want to hit Champlain. The low center of gravity is a real plus. By no means throwing shade at the other boats, but the Hornbeck will be traveling out to Lows this weekend for our annual Ice Out
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Old 04-28-2019, 09:58 PM   #31
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Have owned a Hornbeck 10.5 kevlar for around ten years. Great for carries & loading/unloading. Has done well in waves & wind. Faster than you might think and by packing light I've carried enough gear & food in it for 5 to 7 day solo outings. It's taken some abuse and has held up.

As others have said, great people to work with.

I do miss using a single blade paddle.

The seating is not the most comfortable for my lower back, especially early in the season when I'm not in paddling shape, but every hour or so I stop, stretch out in it as best I can for several minutes, and then feel fine when I continue; now and then I go to shore to walk around a little before continuing.

Glad I bought it.
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Old 04-28-2019, 10:47 PM   #32
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When I paddled my Hornbeck to Plattsburgh in one hot July i did a bit of damage, even crushed the cheeks between a couple of rocks in the nearly dry rocky Saranac River in the miles below the Saranac Lake and around Redford and below before Plattsburgh. I later took it to Peter and he patched it to strengthen the damaged spots as good as new. All for free. He said he would do that for any customer. i can live with the remaining scratches on the bottom of the hull, doesn't hurt bushwhacking one bit. That's the way to do business. On the other hand, I don't use my Rapidfire in such rough rocky paddling conditions but I know Joe at PB will do extras for you as well.
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Old 04-29-2019, 06:01 AM   #33
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I bought a 16 ft Carbon Hornbeck from Peter 11 years ago and I can not say enough good about it. 24lbs and I can keep up with everyone, despite weighing 300lbs. I was a kayaker for the most part, canoe as well, so this boat was the best of both worlds. plenty of room for gear and has float bags when I want to hit Champlain. The low center of gravity is a real. By no means throwing shade at the other boats, but the Hornbeck will be traveling out to Lows this weekend for our annual Ice Out
Is Lows iced out? Would appreciate a trip report, as I am planning a trip there soon.
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Old 04-30-2019, 12:51 PM   #34
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Have you looked at: http://slipstreamwatercraft.com/Slip...2/Welcome.html
Stan has been around for a long time......
I recently bought a Slipstream Impulse 13, with a hung seat, and I LOVE the boat. Stan and Cathy were so nice and the price was reasonable. I wanted a lightweight canoe that would track if I wanted to do the 90-miler some day, but would also allow me to camp and pond hop. The boat handles great in wind, waves, and is just fantastic! I only use a single bladed paddle because if I wanted to use a kayak paddle, I'd have bought a kayak. Finally put my years of canoe lessons from Camp Chingachgook to good use.

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Old 04-30-2019, 04:17 PM   #35
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I have a Betula 13 simulated birchbark with a hung seat-same hull. My wife's favorite canoe. Stan and Cathy are great.
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Old 05-01-2019, 05:36 PM   #36
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Is Lows iced out? Would appreciate a trip report, as I am planning a trip there soon.
Ice is out according to satellite and 1st hand accounts
Leaving early tomorrow and will update when return on Sunday
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Old 05-01-2019, 07:05 PM   #37
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Lows Lake

Great, thanks very much. I hope to go in two weeks. I heard the gate is closed and may be until Memorial Day so I will either use the cart or go via Horseshoe Lake Outlet. Thanks again.
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Old 05-05-2019, 12:04 PM   #38
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Hornbeck vs Placid Boatworks

"Someone has mentioned "quality", and I'm wondering why the substantial price delta between Hornbeck's & Placid/Swift......"

I've owned two Classic Hornbeck's over the last 15 years and purchased a Placid Boatworks Spitfire last autumn. Both offer quality products, the probable difference in cost in part is the material used and design. Placid uses a gel coat, seat options, flotation in bow and stern. Hornbeck doesn't use gel coat. His tried and true basic seat design also serves as flotation.

Consequently the Hornbeck's are lighter and cost less.

The buying experience was also quite different.

At Placid Boatworks Joe's employee was helpful getting me in the right canoe. Pete did all that, too, but he had me believing I just joined the Hornbeck family when I pulled out of his shop with the canoe on the roof of my car. I still feel that way.
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I needed a Hornbeck as a light easy to carry boat to bushwhack through the woods and to visit remote Adirondack ponds. But the initial driving force for me to get one was the trip I planned from Boonville to Plattsburgh, since I knew there would be a lot of carrying involved in the trek. When I visited Peter to get one, it was early spring and he took me up to his shop attic where there were a couple of dozen standard yellow kevlar boats hanging like sides of pork. The product of a winter's work. But then down at his office desk was a shiny black on the outside, yellow in the inside beauty. I asked about it and he said, oh that, it is the first one I made as a trial, not sure how well it will work. It is only a pound lighter than the all kevlar model, but costs $100 more to make. What are the advantages? He said it is tougher and does not "oil can" like the other ones. Prettier too, I thought. If it's for sale, I'll take it. So Off I went with his first carbon/kevlar hybrid. I have loved it ever since. After my trek, I took it back to Peter to see if he could repair the damage I had done to it. He did so free of charge and said he would do that for any customer. Oh, and it has been many dozens of miles carried to those remote ponds too.

I needed a sleeker, faster solo boat for my other bigger water travels, not necessarily in the backcountry, and also for when I did not have a team to train with or to paddle the 90 mile canoe race. Joe sold me a Rapidfire for those purposes, along with three different height stackable seats. After I saw his rail mounted higher seat I said I wanted one of those so I could more easily paddle single blade, rather than the double blade that most people want to use in that boat. Not knowing me that well he cautioned me but installed the rail higher seat anyway, with a 15 degree forward tip for easier racing posture. I have raced it several times on the 90, even though unfortunately it must be paddled double blade by the rules of the class it is in. Otherwise for recreation or training I paddle it exclusively single blade as I train solo for team racing in other canoes.

You can't have just one canoe in the fleet that is best for all purposes.
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Old 05-10-2019, 12:34 PM   #40
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Is Lows iced out? Would appreciate a trip report, as I am planning a trip there soon.

Back from Lows Lake last weekend for 4 days 3 nights on a brisk spring weekend. Water level was high, but not extreme. Smooth sailing to the dam and carry, but the bog situation was difficult. 2 large trees and a waterlogged trunk blocked the small channel left, too heavy to move by hand. So up and over bog, and sloshing back into boat. Smooth sailing again and lake was all ours. All the sites where empty, only saw a couple in a canoe when we were almost out. Many osprey, and fortunate to get a close up look of a Juvenile bald eagle take off on a nearby tree. Molting, he looked white and black, and quite impressive. Road was blocked and some of the dirt road where pavement ends blocked as well ruts in the road and water on the trail

Overall great weekend, one tarp day but well prepared
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