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Old 07-06-2015, 11:06 AM   #1
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Found this article this morning:

http://www.adirondackalmanack.com/20...ain-bikes.html

Looks like it would require a river crossing to make it a through route from Newcomb to Indian Lake - as there is a 'proposed' bridge on the map:



Anyone know what that water crossing would be like? I'm guessing its here on the GoogleMaps:

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.8533.../data=!3m1!1e3
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Old 07-06-2015, 02:07 PM   #2
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That proposed bridge site is at the big bend, the water there is deep and slow.
Crossing would require a swim of about 30 yards...here's a look

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Old 07-07-2015, 06:25 AM   #3
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That proposed bridge site is at the big bend, the water there is deep and slow.
Crossing would require a swim of about 30 yards...here's a look

Thanks.... That would be a problem!

Anywhere close by that would be a wade in the early fall with (hopefully) low water?
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Just upstream is a set of small rapids, in very low water you might be able to hop across there. Downstream is a ways before the next rapids and shallows, the south side road peters out before that.
Have you studied the satellite images on Bing? They're the next best thing to being there (or asking someone that has)!!
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Just upstream is a set of small rapids, in very low water you might be able to hop across there. Downstream is a ways before the next rapids and shallows, the south side road peters out before that.
Have you studied the satellite images on Bing? They're the next best thing to being there (or asking someone that has)!!
Bing / GoogleMaps / Apple Maps / Topo stuff... try to look at it all.
I've been fascinated with connecting through here since my very first overnight bike trip across the ADKs via MRP... not sure if I'll make it go this year, but I'd love to try.

I don't mind getting the feet / legs wet - but I don't want to be up to my waist with a bike and gear in the water.
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Old 07-07-2015, 10:53 AM   #6
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Can't you float the bike via the tires? And bring a big dry bag to toss your gear in for the crossing and just swim across with that.

Doesn't seem so bad to me...
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Can't you float the bike via the tires? And bring a big dry bag to toss your gear in for the crossing and just swim across with that.

Doesn't seem so bad to me...
maybe if i was rolling on the pugsley with the big tires.
i'll likely be on the krampus with only the chubby 3" tires.

but i don't really want to flood the BB and the Rohloff with water...

i'll have to round up the usual suspects and fit in a scouting mission via car to newcomb and then ride in.

on Bing Maps it looks promising - travel further east along the road - there is a small island and some rapids, past what looks to be a logging staging lot - then cross, and there is a dead end loop for the road on the south side of the river... that connects back to where the proposed bridge is supposed to go.
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Old 07-07-2015, 12:42 PM   #8
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....on Bing Maps it looks promising - travel further east along the road - there is a small island and some rapids, past what looks to be a logging staging lot - then cross, and there is a dead end loop for the road on the south side of the river... that connects back to where the proposed bridge is supposed to go.
I was near there in mid June '13...Here's what the Cedar River looked like about a mile west of the confluence with the Hudson...


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I was near there in mid June '13...Here's what the Cedar River looked like about a mile west of the confluence with the Hudson...


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Thanks Justin. What do you think the depth was?
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Old 07-07-2015, 01:24 PM   #10
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Thanks Justin. What do you think the depth was?
I say at least waist to chest deep....If memory serves me correct the water level was pretty high and flowing swiftly enough for me to know there was no way I was going to try and cross it to get to the road on the north side that day...
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I say at least waist to chest deep....If memory serves me correct the water level was pretty high and flowing swiftly enough for me to know there was no way I was going to try and cross it to get to the road on the north side that day...
Thanks.
USGS doesn't have any gauges along the Cedar, so I'm out of luck looking at flow rates... but the Hudson not far from there is way higher than average for this time of year.

I'm guessing theres a significant difference between June and September.
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Small pack raft to float the gear and bike across?
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Small pack raft to float the gear and bike across?
some day i'll own a packraft... i have ideas for bike / float trips in the ADKs... but yes, i've thought of taking a kids raft along.
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Old 07-07-2015, 06:00 PM   #14
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anyone know if ONeil Flowage and Dun Brook connect and go through to 28 from Newcomb?
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Here is a press release from DEC, from last fall.
There is talk of extending motor vehicle access all the way to Dun Brook. Currently, only foot traffic is allowed beyond The Barker Pond gate, this is a designated snowmobile trail as well. That road does connect to Deer Pond Rd in the Essex Chain area, but you would need to verify if biking through that part of the easement is legal or not.
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Here is a press release from DEC, from last fall.
There is talk of extending motor vehicle access all the way to Dun Brook. Currently, only foot traffic is allowed beyond The Barker Pond gate, this is a designated snowmobile trail as well. That road does connect to Deer Pond Rd in the Essex Chain area, but you would need to verify if biking through that part of the easement is legal or not.
Thanks.
Found this interesting on another DEC page:

"Biking is prohibited beyond the Polaris (Iron) Bridge into the Vanderwhacker Mountain Wild Forest."

http://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/91888.html

I thought cycling was allowed in Wild Forest. Not sure what you can connect to anyways going into VWWF... but there looks to be some camps / structures beyond the bridge - and some roads / trails.
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Biking is generally permitted in Wild Forest, but there is no reason the DEC can't bar it from certain trails. It's the same thing with motor boats, snowmobiles, and motor vehicles - not every trail or body of water is suitable for them.

Again this really points to the problem with the land designations as they are. Trails that allow bikes should be those that can withstand the use, not those that fall into some blanket management category.

I honestly don't know why biking isn't permitted in Vanderwhacker WF though.
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Biking is generally permitted in Wild Forest, but there is no reason the DEC can't bar it from certain trails. It's the same thing with motor boats, snowmobiles, and motor vehicles - not every trail or body of water is suitable for them.

Again this really points to the problem with the land designations as they are. Trails that allow bikes should be those that can withstand the use, not those that fall into some blanket management category.

I honestly don't know why biking isn't permitted in Vanderwhacker WF though.
yup, agree. makes sense in so many places, and in some cases, should be limited. all good on that front.

looks like there are lease properties across the bridge:
http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/91886.html
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Just beyond the Polaris bridge are a handful of little, itty bitty camps. All of them that I saw were pretty spartan and clean.
In the photo below, you can just make out one of the cabins on the far side of the bridge.

bmike-vt, have you called the rangers yet? Or maybe the interpretive center in Newcomb? They should have clear answers...

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