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Old 10-16-2010, 05:49 PM   #141
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Old 11-21-2010, 08:19 PM   #142
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I just read through all 141 posts on this thread and wondered where things stand at this point with regard to Duck Hole. The websites don't seem to work anymore. Is there a working website for saving duck hole? I'm the webmaster for www.nptrail.org and would be happy to add a page on Duck Hole if someone wants to summarize and write content for it. I'm also in the process of setting up a not-for-profit devoted to the NPT. What happened to the not-for-profit for Duck Hole? Thanks, Tom "NPT Fanatic" W.
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Old 11-21-2010, 11:14 PM   #143
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Yeah. It would be nice to get some more info on this subject. Anybody able to chime in anything new?
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Old 04-30-2011, 07:35 AM   #144
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http://www.adirondackdailyenterprise...id/524218.html

I'm wondering if the dam is even still there after this recent epic flooding.
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Old 04-30-2011, 08:00 AM   #145
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I'm wondering if the dam is even still there after this recent epic flooding.
Thanks for posting this... sounds like interest in saving the dam is building again.
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Old 05-01-2011, 05:59 AM   #146
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I'll let you know . I'm going up in a couple of weeks, I might not get over there till next month when I canoe.

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Old 05-02-2011, 10:57 PM   #147
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Still there... (photo provided by Cold River Bob, taken 5/2, photo most likely by Ranger Burns)
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Old 06-05-2011, 07:27 AM   #148
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Isn't the whole idea of the Adirondacks supposed to be a place free of the intrusion of man, kept "forever wild"? I don't see how preserving a man made dam jives with that philosophy. Don't get me wrong, I think its a beautiful area, perhaps one of the best in all of the Dacks.. But its still a man made structure. I would not mind in the least bit if it turned back into a meadow or a swamp, or whatever nature wants it to be.
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Old 06-05-2011, 08:33 AM   #149
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Isn't the whole idea of the Adirondacks supposed to be a place free of the intrusion of man, kept "forever wild"? I don't see how preserving a man made dam jives with that philosophy. Don't get me wrong, I think its a beautiful area, perhaps one of the best in all of the Dacks.. But its still a man made structure. I would not mind in the least bit if it turned back into a meadow or a swamp, or whatever nature wants it to be.
Perhaps we should enforce the "Forever Wild" 100% then and close all roads within the park as well.

The biggest problem here is who decides what. When they decide to repair Marcy Dam, which supports NO wildlife, unless you consider hikers and peak baggers as such, but decide to let Duck Hole which supports a huge ecosystem, then something is wrong.

Decisions are being made on the basis of lobbying (ADK & others), or economies. Not on the ecological impact. If you're going to let 1 dam deteriorate, then let all of them within the park deteriorate. Or else repair them all.

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Old 06-06-2011, 12:58 AM   #150
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Perhaps we should enforce the "Forever Wild" 100% then and close all roads within the park as well.
Now you're talking. On foot we shall go!
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Old 06-18-2011, 07:15 PM   #151
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I'm in favor of closing three places: 1.) The garden parking lot...make people walk up that hill from Keene Valley. They can park at Marcy Field. 2.) Road to Tahawus...at least shorten it up by about 5 miles or so...bear minimum, take it back to where the mine is. 3.) Remove the road to ADK Loj at Heart Lake.


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Old 06-25-2011, 09:44 PM   #152
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I can understand the philosophy of letting things such as buildings, old camps go to the wayside as they serve no purpose. The great camp that was on Lila is an example as that would have become an eysore and served no useful purpose. As Hawk stated the Dam at Duck Hole created a whole ecosystem above and below the dam. It doesn't take away anything from the area....it is actually a beautiful structure especially when the bridge was there.

The powers to be have allowed other structures in wild areas of the park to stay....Marcy Dam and recently at least one fire tower. Why not this?
Didn't they open Henderson/ Prestons to allow a canoe route to Duck Hole?
Cool, I can't wait to that trip again, but to a swamp.
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Old 07-13-2011, 02:41 PM   #153
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Duck Hole Article

Hello all, I've been asked to write a 600 word article for the Adirondack Explorer in a Pro/Con debate with regard to saving Duck Hole. For those who haven't seen it, Phil Brown wrote a piece in the July/August edition of the Explorer titled, "Portage to Paradise". about his paddle to Duck Hole in May. It is a positive piece and I suspect he greatly supports our efforts. If anyone has any suggestions or quotes I can add to my piece please let me know. Tom W.
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Old 07-17-2011, 06:19 AM   #154
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Here is the articl e Tom was talking about

http://www.adirondackexplorer.org/st...e-to-paradise/
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Old 08-09-2011, 10:03 AM   #155
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I've submitted my "pro" article to Adirondack Explorer for an upcoming issue "Debatable" section on Should Duck Hole be Saved. I'll post a link when it is published.

I've also managed to get control again of www.saveduckhole.com; .net; .org; and .info. I hope to use these websites in the future to promote the saving of Duck Hole. Anyone who would like to help with content and pictures please let me know. My plans are to use the .org as the main website with the others pointing to it. I plan on five pages including one for history; one for articles and links to articles; one for photos; one for how people can help (including a way for people to donate to the cause via: the NPTrail Chapter - a 501(c)(3) organization.

Duck Hole can be saved. Tom W.
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Old 08-09-2011, 12:02 PM   #156
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I've submitted my "pro" article to Adirondack Explorer for an upcoming issue "Debatable" section on Should Duck Hole be Saved. I'll post a link when it is published.

I've also managed to get control again of www.saveduckhole.com; .net; .org; and .info. I hope to use these websites in the future to promote the saving of Duck Hole. Anyone who would like to help with content and pictures please let me know. My plans are to use the .org as the main website with the others pointing to it. I plan on five pages including one for history; one for articles and links to articles; one for photos; one for how people can help (including a way for people to donate to the cause via: the NPTrail Chapter - a 501(c)(3) organization.

Duck Hole can be saved. Tom W.
That's AWESOME Tom! Your welcome to use any of my Duck Hole Shots :-)
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Isn't the whole idea of the Adirondacks supposed to be a place free of the intrusion of man, kept "forever wild"? I don't see how preserving a man made dam jives with that philosophy. Don't get me wrong, I think its a beautiful area, perhaps one of the best in all of the Dacks.. But its still a man made structure. I would not mind in the least bit if it turned back into a meadow or a swamp, or whatever nature wants it to be.
It's a common misconception that "wild" when it comes to wilderness is intended to mean only "wild" from an environmental/ecological point of view. Wilderness Management is still a Natural Resource Management discipline, and, as with all management of our natural resources, we can't consider it to be sustainable unless it is sustainable socially and economically as well as ecologically. Just as timber managers have a responsibility to address the ecological and social impacts of their actions in addition to the economic considerations, wilderness managers have a responsibility to address the social and economic impacts of their actions. And that sometimes means managing historical artifacts in a manner that allows the public to continue to appreciate and learn from them, even if they are located in a wilderness area. For many, these artifacts are reminders of how life was much more difficult years ago when we had a lot more wilderness in America. If managed correctly, having the occasional reminder of our shared history and past culture can actually serve to make the experience even more "wild," despite the presence of human impact.
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Old 09-12-2011, 11:45 PM   #158
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Nicely stated, and I agree.

Unfortunately, with the flexibility to manage like this comes the risk of preferential treatment, lobbyist influence, etc. "My (fill in the blank) intrusion on wilderness is OK, but yours is not." Too much of that goes on.

Much of that could be addressed by recognizing that the routes and facilities we use in the wilderness are not, in themselves, wilderness, but merely routes to get there. So it's OK to have a solid, well marked trail or canoe carry route; a well protected climbing route; a conveniently located leanto. The wilderness is what's all around these things. And it's plenty big enough to accommodate them.

And I agree that even a dam can fit in nicely. (It has been interesting watching various authorities' agonized logic explaining why the dam at Lows should be maintained, but the dam at Duck Hole should be allowed to deteriorate.)

But I was privileged to camp many times at Duck Hole, and I am sure I will camp again at Duck Meadow, and it will be very nice.
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Old 08-07-2019, 07:39 PM   #159
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I sure wish the dam would be repaired! It is a beautiful paddle!
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