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Originally posted by Pumpkin QAAD View Post
Call me selfish but I think that was the intention. Even our Canadian friends that come to the park should have a say, eh?Are you in possession of all of your marbles?
WAIT a min-u-ete! I am the only one who gets to say "one more time"!
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It's not so extreme to not want to develop inside the Adirondack Park when one considers that the vast majority of land outside of the park is developed or able to be developed. I personally think it's kind of extreme to demand some level of development everywhere regardless. Are the people who want to see old growth redwoods no longer cut down extreme because something like only 3% of it remains? You seem to be more in favor of people who prefer to ignore, or are resentful of the fact, that they live within a park. So you can't really compare or equate your proposal of allowing only pro-development park residents on the APA to "extremists" who want to protect every square inch of the Adirondacks. It's a false equivalency.Last edited by forest dweller; 02-08-2012, 08:16 PM.
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How much as the Wild Center improved the economy of TL? The village and the shopping malls are still depressed...Mickey D's is doing well...Shaheens makes a great sub....
Perhaps a high intensity townhouse development, a conversion of the Wooden Bowl Factory into high end apartments, and a downtown with Brew Pubs, Sushi, and high end clothing stores!
Seriously, once you develop any land , it can never go back....there is only so much left....
Too many people....we are a blight on the planet....Be careful, don't spread invasive species!!
When a dog runs at you,whistle for him.
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Originally posted by chairrock View PostHow much as the Wild Center improved the economy of TL?..
I wonder if the Adirondack Club proposal had been wrapped up in a nice 'green' bow if we would even be having this discussion at all or if folks would be singing the praises of the developer for having such forethought to create a community of green living.Are you in possession of all of your marbles?
WAIT a min-u-ete! I am the only one who gets to say "one more time"!
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Originally posted by Commissionpoint View PostI wonder if the Adirondack Club proposal had been wrapped up in a nice 'green' bow if we would even be having this discussion at all or if folks would be singing the praises of the developer for having such forethought to create a community of green living.
A few of your suggestions insult my intelligence. Do you really think that would fly with environmentalists?
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My point was any extreme was bad for the situation. Neither should only residents control the situation nor should just anyone be able to have a say in what goes on.
If nothing else, sometimes its nice to know that you are indeed on the cutting edge of debate, no matter what side you are on. This is from 1 hour ago.
Are you in possession of all of your marbles?
WAIT a min-u-ete! I am the only one who gets to say "one more time"!
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So Cuomo appointees to the APA are what's behind this seemingly inconsistent decision in regards to Adirondack development. Largest development ever approved by the APA. How nice.
I want a new job, make one for me......Brush up on your Chinese they'll own our lazy butts one day if not already.A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they never shall sit in
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" “With this vote, it is now clear that the park’s anti-environment and pro-development forces have achieved their long-term goal of capturing control of the park agency,” said John Caffry, a lawyer and board member for Protect the Adirondacks, an environmental group. "
That's EXACTLY what I want to know - how they got the AAPPAA to give 10 votes for this monstrosity. I'd like to know if the process on appointing people to the APA has been corrupted by pro-business forces. I'd also like to know how former APA chairpersons feel about this.
Again, can't beat around the bush - a majority of the people on the highest court in this land seems to have been dropped on their heads as babies, so it's not totally crazy to think that something is really fishy here. When the highest court in the land obviously does not know how to interpret the Constitution it's not such a stretch to believe that something is really wrong when an agency whose mission is to protect the Adirondacks from things like this goes ahead and approves it anyway.
And let's be honest here, if Cuomo was a real Democrat he would not be cutting taxes on the highest earners who are doing better than they have ever been before, he would be raising taxes to pay for things like emergency funds for places like Tupper Lake, to be used in a way to get the economy moving again without degradation to the Adirondack Park.
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In what situation did the Supreme Court not know how to interpret the Constitution?
I don't see how raising taxes on the productive and spending it on short term unsustainable projects makes sense except in a crisis. Sure, people need a safety net for hard times but emergency funds for Tupper Lake, I don't think that is the answer. The problem with this development project, and with your bailout plan is that it sets a precedent. Why should a town like Lake Pleasant manage themselves responsibly when emergency funds are being dished out (with their money!).
I'm actually thinking the emergency fund is even worse of a choice than the housing resort development.A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they never shall sit in
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Originally posted by Glen View PostFrhill,
I'm not happy that anyone is in that position. I know I speak as an outsider, but if my grandfather could leave his family in Europe and come here on a steamship, enlist in the military to become a citizen, fight in WWI back in Europe , then come back to the US who 4 years later allowed him to bring his family here so he could mine coal in Pennsylvania, surely someone could get in their car and drive 4 hours.
I am generally pretty center on most topics, and I do not long for the good old days of the depression, but really, we are not talking about going halfway round the world, different language, no prospects, etc. And that story was repeated for millions. If these folks aren't working, exactly what are they doing?
The same story could be told about my grandparents (my grandpa was a WWI vet too), and I appreciate your point. However, I don’t think you are drawing a valid comparison. For one, your grandfather probably didn’t have a choice: the opportunity simply wasn’t there. Tupper Lakers have an opportunity on their doorstep in the ACR, a project which has OVERWHELMING local support. Why should they have to pass on this and move because folks like you and I want to preserve a viewshed or uphold our conceptualization of what “wilderness” is?
I still think that it is the height of arrogance for outsiders, many of whom are affluent, to tell locals that their economic opportunity is less important than aesthetics. I think communities should have a significant say in what development occurs there. I also think the outcome of this would have been very different if this project was proposed in say, Saranac Lake, where people are generally doing better than in Tupper. If communities want this sort of development, they should be able to have it for better or worse. To send some of the rhetoric back in the other direction: if you don’t like what a community is doing and feel that your “wilderness experience” has been compromised, too bad. Go somewhere else. This is my personal opinion, and I am happy to agree to disagree on this point.
To reiterate, I am NOT in favor of the ACR. I think it will fail miserably. But I also recognize that my financial well-being has nothing to do with the local economy, and I wouldn’t deign to tell others that they cannot have something they need when I really have no stake in the matter.
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Originally posted by Frhill View PostGlen,
The same story could be told about my grandparents (my grandpa was a WWI vet too), and I appreciate your point. However, I don’t think you are drawing a valid comparison. For one, your grandfather probably didn’t have a choice: the opportunity simply wasn’t there. Tupper Lakers have an opportunity on their doorstep in the ACR, a project which has OVERWHELMING local support. Why should they have to pass on this and move because folks like you and I want to preserve a viewshed or uphold our conceptualization of what “wilderness” is?
I still think that it is the height of arrogance for outsiders, many of whom are affluent, to tell locals that their economic opportunity is less important than aesthetics. I think communities should have a significant say in what development occurs there. I also think the outcome of this would have been very different if this project was proposed in say, Saranac Lake, where people are generally doing better than in Tupper. If communities want this sort of development, they should be able to have it for better or worse. To send some of the rhetoric back in the other direction: if you don’t like what a community is doing and feel that your “wilderness experience” has been compromised, too bad. Go somewhere else. This is my personal opinion, and I am happy to agree to disagree on this point.
To reiterate, I am NOT in favor of the ACR. I think it will fail miserably. But I also recognize that my financial well-being has nothing to do with the local economy, and I wouldn’t deign to tell others that they cannot have something they need when I really have no stake in the matter.
Yes you do have a stake in the matter, we all do.A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they never shall sit in
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