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Old 12-21-2015, 08:07 AM   #21
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You may want to prefilter your water if you use a Steripen.
Yep, I use a prefilter when using my steripen. I may look into a backpacker filter as well for any water heavily-laden with particulates.

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I was simply trying to let the OP know that he would not have to worry about the water on his trip up north wherever he may decide to go.

I paddled the Connecticut river from South Pittsburg to the Long Island Sound last year and drank filtered River water the whole way with no problems and no worries. I did have a couple of Beers at the Harpoon Brewery in Winsor VT.
Good to know, both about the river water and the Brewery!
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Old 12-21-2015, 05:39 PM   #22
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if the water has sediment in it I let it sit in my bailing bucket for a while, then I treat or filter it. I find the different tastes of bodies of water in the ADKs adds t the experience.
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Old 12-29-2015, 02:55 PM   #23
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SevernRidger,

In an attempt to bring back the original question of places to paddle in the Adirondacks, I will suggest my favorite route...

Lows Lake to Oswegatchie... Ahhhhh.... GREAT place. You said you didn't want a portage of more than 300 yards but trust me when I say, it is worth it. My girlfriend and I did it summer '15 at the end of black fly season (2nd week of June) and it was perfect.

The trip total according to my GPS was 35.5 miles. We did it in 2 nights 3 days not killing ourselves, but not really relaxing either.

First, an overview of the trip... Put in at Lows Lower Dam and paddle up the "river" (i used "" because there is basically no current) to Lows Upper Dam. Short portage around upper dam (probably 1/8-1/4 mile). Then comes the lake. Beautiful lake. To get from put in to the other side of the lake is about 11 miles of paddling. Then there is a 3.5 mile hike with a pond (that takes about .5 miles out of hiking). After the hike you arrive at the river where it is flat moving water all the way down. Maybe a lessthan class I rapid here and there. The river is narrow and winds like the dickens. My girlfriend and I counted over 40 beaver dams we crossed although we only had to get out of our boats ONCE to get over one. About half way down the river is High Falls which is beautiful. Then you get back in your boat and finish the river. Doing the math, the river is about 21 miles.

My girlfriend and I dropped off the truck at inlet and had St. Regis Canoe Outfitters come pick up the truck and drive it to our take out spot (called "inlet" because on Inlet Rd.). It cost around $200 if I remember correctly.

So, just like your short boat, I used my 10' Old Town and my girlfriend her 11.5' Old Town. We started at 8am in the morning and got to the other side of the lake by 5pm. That is with stopping multiple times for food, bathroom, and stretch breaks. The next morning we paddled the last 3/4 mile to the hiking trail and did the portage. We have kayak rolling carts and the trail was certainly tame enough for us to use them. KEEP IN MIND, that hike takes a long time with a girlfriend (HAHA just kidding...) and with a full boat in your arms. So after we got to the river, we found the first campsite and crashed for the night (it was still daylight but we were that tired). The next day was easy because all you have to do is steer going down stream. We spent most of the day on the river and stopped for about an hour at High Falls. We made it to our car around 4pm and headed to the campground.

Just to touch on the water subject... We each filled our 32oz Nalgene bottle with tap water before we left (which didn't last very long) and then the rest of the trip we used the MSR water filter. The water tasted great and no problems as usual. So do not be too afraid of the water!

I would suggest, if you do this route, to have a GPS, a map of the campsites as not all are very visible from the river, and a fishing rod because fishing on Lows Lake is some of the best in the ADKs! Next time I would spend another 2 or three days enjoying the trip. Maybe split the lake into 2 days and the hike in 1 and then the river into 2 more. Good luck! Let me know if you have any more questions about this trip or others...

Oh and one more thing, to give you an idea of the remoteness, there are ZERO buildings or roads between inlet and outlet. People wise, we saw the ranger on the lake in her kayak and at the very beginning of our trip there was a dad and son fishing for the day. At High Falls, there were two tents but nobody there (maybe hiking?) and that was it! It is a great trip beautiful and easy/relaxing. Good luck!

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Old 12-29-2015, 03:58 PM   #24
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Tyler, sounds like you had a great time and wrote a very positive trip report for what is a very positive area of the Adirondacks. I will add a couple of caveats however. I have tripped on Lows more than 35 times over the years, including several traverses to the Oswegatchie paddling down to Inlet.

Black fly season can be rather variable from year to year, and from day to day in season. You were fortunate to not have them swarming all over you the second week of June. That is often BF peak. It would not be any surprise to be completely swarmed by the little critters at that time. Not that I would alter my trip, but just a caution to be prepared. If not prepared with headnets and the ability to keep moving (as my best defense), a newcomer might get a very bad experience. The most bothersome time of BF season can be anywhere from Mother's Day in May until well after the 4th of July.

You've given plenty of time to make your way down the lake. That's good, to enjoy the area fully. Lows is aligned with the prevailing wind, and being shallow, waves can kick up large without much wind. During those times, unless you are comfortable fighting whitecap waves, the best choice is to pick one of the many available campsites and wait it out. Second best is to stay behind islands along the north shore. There is a short 300 foot carry across a peninsula, rather than heading out into the main lake on windy days (check the map). There is in fact a private cabin on the next peninsula, easily visible from the western end of the main lake body. The shortest carry ever is a 12 foot hop over the cabin's dirt access road to continue the safest windy day water route along the north shore to Grass Pond.

The carry on the Oswegatchie traverse is a good one. However, I wouldn't normally call it smooth or wheel cart friendly. Many people get very frustrated with wheels if they try to travel too quickly. How long can it take to hike 3.5 miles towing a boat? A lot longer than you may think. Don't expect a boat on wheels on this trail to be like walking on a road or a smooth trail.

I think you must have made the trip down the Oswegatchie during a high water period. You do lose count of the numerous beaver dams, but normally several will require getting out of your boat to cross over. All part of the experience.

Seek out Dawn if you see her, the DEC Assistant Ranger. She lives year round nearby, up a non-descript short trail just off the flow. Easily recognizable in her green kayak with bright yellow paddle blades, she's a treasure to talk to. Be sure you have a fishing license if you intend to bring a fishing rod.

Lastly, you forgot to mention bringing a compass along with a good map, and knowing how to use them together. Kind of a pet peeve with me... knowledge and use of a GPS is great, but please don't venture into the wild without a good compass and knowledge of how to us it. Use the GPS as much as you want, but think of it as a backup to the compass. Thanks.
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Old 12-30-2015, 09:31 AM   #25
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Wldrns,

Yes I know that BF season varies year to year. I, like many others, hate being in large crowds. Not a city boy by any means. The ADKs get hammered with tourists right after BF season so I ALWAYS make sure that we get up there at least twice in June before the swarms of people come.

This will sound weird, but I always get a grin on my face when I hop out of my truck at the campground and get the swarm of flies. Why? Simple. More flies = less people. I usually go up the 2nd week and last week of June and both are great. Head net a must usually 2nd week but by the 3rd week they are usually subsided. My experience is that they are heaviest late May to early June.

So yes, there were BFs along the trail but with a good head net and long sleeves it was a very enjoyable hike. The wind on the lake and river kept the flies at bay.

Wldrns, that is a very good point with the wind. A general rule of thumb I have for Lows is stick to the north side of the lake on the the way out (western bound) and stick to the southern side of the lake on the way back to ride the waves and for a tail wind.

The islands are a life saver with the wind and that 300 yard portage is great! I didn't see it on the map and thought that we were headed around an island and was happily surprised when I came to the end of the cove and saw a trail! I never saw that cabin but I believe ya! But my point was, it is a very primitive,remote, and quite place to enjoy the wilderness.

The trail to me was better than a lot of the trails I hike regularly. My girlfriend and I had no problem leaving all of our stuff in the kayak and making the portage. Only one tip over when I made a turn too sharp and hit a root. I believe that most anyone can do it with a kayak cart and an idea that the hike wont be a walk in the park.

Yes it did rain on the first night but we planned going around the water level. Most of the dams could be slammed through because of previous people ramming them. Don't let the dams scare you away. Like Wldrns said, it is just part of the experience.

Dawn is very nice we talked for about a half hour floating around the lake and she told us what sites had already been taken and which would be good to stay at. You are correct, have a license! She didn't ask for ours however even though we both had rods in our rod holders but it is always good to follow the law and the license helps fund the beautiful land you are enjoying! So what I am saying is talk to her! She wants to help and make your trip great! She is very nice. We offered her some snacks and gave her an extra head lamp we brought along. She appreciated it.

I didn't mention compass and map as I thought they were just a gimme. My watch has a compass that I rely on most times but we have my old boy scouts one in the first aid and have a few others packed with us. I printed out as many maps as I could find on big paper (11x17 or "b" sized paper) and put them in big zip-lock bag. I had one that showed the campsites, one that showed the trail, one that showed sites along river, one that showed elevation and water depth (for fishing and hiking around lake) and then just an old style map with everything. You can find them online with a quick google search for free. I also keep the maps on my phone as pictures and pdfs in case GPS is lost or papers get wet.

I use my GPS mainly as a tracking device for the trip. It gives me average speed and distance traveled which I like to know. It also gives me weather alerts.

So yes you are right, be prepared and don't just bring one method of navigation. You will regret it. I guarantee it.

Thanks Wldrns for your wisdom and for mentioning things I forgot. It is a very memorable trip and not one to pass up! Enjoy the great outdoors!
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Old 12-30-2015, 01:24 PM   #26
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Diving stright down the rat hole....Harpoon (a good beer that I enjoy) is brewed and bottled in Utica at the FX Matt brewery...at least it was. They also brew Brooklyn, New Amsterdam and others.....
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Old 01-04-2016, 03:39 PM   #27
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Kayak trip Suggestions? Places with treatable water?

I visited ADK for the first time last May and would also recommend Bog/Lows Lake. I have a Venture Flex kayak (10.5) and it managed fine for a 2 night, 3 day trip. I went with 2 others the weekend after Mothers Day and the Black Flys were out. Once we were on the water we were fine. I filled up a Nalgene Bottle and packed maybe 8 plastic water bottles. I also had a MSR filter with me. I drank both bottled and filtered water. This was my first multi day trip and I already decided when I go back I'm leaving the bottled water home and will just filter to save on weight. For the portage at Hitchens Pond, it is short and doable carrying a loaded boat but I had brought a kayak cart with me that I made similar to the Trail Tracker kayak cart. It was easy to store and made portaging 3 kayaks much easier. We paddled out to site 18 which is a nice site at the waters edge with lots of space for boats. The site also had a nice breeze keeping the flys away but finding firewood wasn't as easy as some of the other sites. The next day we explored and did some fishing around the north shore, then headed back to the site and packed up and started heading back back closer to the launch. In the open section of Lows there was some small white caps from the wind so having a spray skirt was appreciated. The 2nd night we stayed on site 11, which was set back in the woods more and also where the black flies were, I was glad to have my head net. On the 3rd day we packed up camp and headed back towards the launch and fished along the way. Overall it was definitely a fun place. My only complaint was that we did more paddling than fishing, so this year I would like to go a little earlier to beat the flys and also either have an extra day or two or stay put one campsite to allow more time to explore and fish.


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Old 01-04-2016, 07:38 PM   #28
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Ryin, what were you fishing for? Any keepers?
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Old 01-05-2016, 10:06 PM   #29
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Tyler & Ryin,

Thanks for your trip reports! I was glad to hear that you both had good times using similar sized kayaks. My initial thought was to do a trip more similar to Ryin's, in that exploring one large lake like Lows or Little Tupper while camping 3-4 nights would give me time to fish, swim, hike, and paddle to explore the area, without feeling pressed to get from point to point as my main goal for the day. That said, Tyler's idea of doing his trip with 2-3 extra days sounds like a fun option too.

Wldnrs as always makes some good points and thanks for the mention of Dawn. If I find myself on Lows I will certainly make a point to look for her.

Ryin, how do you like the Venture 11? I was actually looking at a used one a month or so ago as a possibility for my girlfriend. Seems like a nice boat but I didn't find much about them from what I can remember.

For all others, I appreciate you keeping this thread alive with new trip reports and ideas, especially those of you using kayaks to cruise the ADK.

Can anyone recommend any good day hikes around Lows,LT, or other areas where the trail can be easily accessed from the lake?

Thanks again.
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Can anyone recommend any good day hikes around Lows,LT, or other areas where the trail can be easily accessed from the lake?

Thanks again.
Here's just a sample around Lows from the NYSDEC website. Official trails are viewable on the State Lands Interactive Mapper (SLIM).
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Old 01-06-2016, 01:48 AM   #31
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Kayak trip Suggestions? Places with treatable water?

I do like my Venture Flex, I originally wanted something that would be good for flat water and some low class river running. It has a pretty big storage compartment in the back which helped a lot. For the front I took the foam pillar out for more room and put some gear in dry compression sacks. It really handled the extra weight well and I didn't feel any less stable. The cockpit is smaller than some other Rex kayaks but I don't mind as I feel more like I am part of the boat. Venture is produced by Pyranha and is basically the same boat design as the Pyranha Fusion but with a deeper vee bow and a little less bow rocker. I think if I knew about the Fusion at the time I purchased my Flex, I would have gone with the Fusion to handle the White water a little better, but it was also more expensive. Overall I am very pleased and it tracks well when the skeg is down. I heard there is some good hiking on Grass Pond Mountain and also there are Ice caves somewhere on the back side.
The main reason I decided to go with Bog/Lows was it is really a wilderness feel, especially once you past Higgins Pond and it is supposed to be good Fishing. Another Location that I want to Visit is Lake Lila just south of Lows. It is supposed to be another wilderness spot. There is a portage from the parking lot to the launch beach but it seems like a good place to go without having to paddle as far out like Lows.

Here is a link to a Lows Map showing the campsites
http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/lands_for...df/lowsmap.pdf



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Sounds like a nice setup Ryin, actually very similar to my Jackson Rogue 10 with the skeg, dry storage and bow storage with dry bags. And the same reason I bought mine, for flat water and white water. I've taken mine on a couple multiday trips and it has worked out great.

How was the paddling on Lows in that size kayak? Did you feel overwhelmed at the size/roughness of the lake? I know it can get rough but heeding the advice of some of the previous posters I figure it's doable to hug the north shore, take the available portages, or wait it out if it's too bad. I do have a skirt and am fine with paddling in some chop. It will just make those calm pristine days where the lake is flat as glass that much nicer!
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I didn't feel overwhelmed at all in my boat and I cruised right along almost always in the lead.
The wind wasn't really noticeable until after you get up Frying Pan Island where Lows gets wider. We followed the northern route and hugged the northern shore as others suggested. The wind only produced some chop in that open part, nothing big that couldn't be handled easily. I did tend to use my skirt most of the time mainly as a spot to rest my gps, phone in waterproof case and snacks.
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Old 01-11-2016, 02:25 PM   #34
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From what i have read, you won't have problems anywhere in north America filtering water, if you get a decent one, and know how to use it. In Africa, you will need an anti-virus rig. Viruses, much smaller than bacteria, are not an issue in our part of the world.

I filter all water, except known springs, you never know what lying dead up stream- certainly something is... if you have a filter, it is simply not worth it. If pressed, i would look for the best place... even with a filter i do this. I figure i narrow the odds as much as possible. I always have a squeeze Sawyer filter now. They are tiny and very good. I know of a guy who drank his whole life, from wherever he pleased- bragged about it as he laughed at people filtering.... only to be holed up at a lean-to once on a solo trip for three days.. praying for death to come and rescue him ( his words LOL) ... He looked us in the eye and said that cured him... "never again"... a good enough lesson for me, but i had already decided because of this story of my own...

When I was a kid, we planned on drinking out of the creek we were traveling down on a 3 day trip... doesn't matter where. Not long after the start, it was a rock garden for the first part, we were lining the canoe and floating where we could, i happened to look down into a deep pool and happened to float right over the carcass of a deer, tattered gossamer flesh waving ethereally in slow motion with the current, looking at me with a shriveled white eyeball and reapers grin, as it loomed into visibility through the heavily tannin stained water. Was sort of pretty in a way... my partner didn't see it, had to convince him... I thank that deer for curing me of bravado, as it was just by accident i saw it. Since then I have seen others, and dead birds, and various rib cages or skulls in otherwise pure streams. We drank meltwater from coolers the rest of that trip, and always careful ever since in these 40 years, and never sick once.

Once upon a time, our guts were acclimated to such things, we are whimps compared to our forefathers, and not enough Neanderthal genes for the rest.... C'est la vie.
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