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View Poll Results: Wireless internet access at the Loj is a good idea?
Yes I think Wireless internet access at the Loj is a good idea 18 23.38%
No, I think itís a bad idea 26 33.77%
It doesnít really matter to me 33 42.86%
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Old 01-19-2007, 09:47 AM   #1
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Wireless Hot Spot Added to Loj pros & cons

I just opened my copy of the "Adirondack". On page 6, in the "letter from the President" He states "We have also added a wire-less hot spot to the Loj, which allows guests to access the Internet while enjoying respite at our remote wilderness location."



Whats next electric lights in the Lean-tos?

I don't want to see a: TV, monitor, computer screen, lap top, i-pod, vidio games or any kind of electronics period! I go to the Loj to get away from this stuff.

What do some of you think?

Does someone know how to set up a pole so we can vote on this and gater opinion?
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Old 01-19-2007, 10:27 AM   #2
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Just looked for the poll thingie.

Looks as if when the forum upgrade was installed the ability for members to create polls was not enabled.

Probably an oversight unless the new owners prefer that not anyone start a poll, but I don't think that's the case.

If I'm correct, hopefully they will remedy the situation.
For now I'll suggest a new "man-rule" (women included).

Anyone catching anyone in the High Peaks with a laptop, Blackberry, or Palm must immediately slap them silly.

In the meantime I'll have to put some thought into what i think about the situation.

Hmm, gives me an idea..... How about a GPS that also plays mp3's and podcasts? Are you listening Garmin? You could call it the G-pod.
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Old 01-19-2007, 11:05 AM   #3
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Old 01-19-2007, 11:08 AM   #4
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I can see +/- on this.

For some, like parents of very young children, people with disabled dependents, key employees, business owners, etc. It will allow them to actually get away, but still check in back home or at work if something goes wrong.

On the other hand, most of us go to the 'Dacks just to get away from all of that.

I specifically camp where there is no cell phone coverage just so I can avoid a call from work, but some people don't have that luxury. Having a point where they can contact "the world" might be the only way they can justify getting away.
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Old 01-19-2007, 11:09 AM   #5
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Old 01-19-2007, 02:44 PM   #6
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Whats next electric lights in the Lean-tos?
No, but I hear that toilet paper warmers are being considered.
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Old 01-19-2007, 02:48 PM   #7
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If you're staying there and your job requires you to check in daily, then I think it makes sense. Otherwise, what the heck do you have a laptop there for? I suspect there was some operational reason the Loj had wireless internet installed, and they thought it made sense to open it up to guests.
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No, but I hear that toilet paper warmers are being considered.
SWEET! I've never been to the Loj, but I'll book my trip as soon as they're installed!! Ain't nothin' betta' than warm TP on a cold night!
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Old 01-19-2007, 04:52 PM   #9
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[QUOTE=AdkWalrus;58879]If you're staying there and your job requires you to check in daily, then

Use the pay phone.

I don't care about warm TP but the bathrooms and showers could use an upgrade. That may do more for the users comfort than a wireless zone.

"enjoying respite at our REMOTE WILDERNESS location" this just doesn't seem to fit "with wireless hot spot".

Call me old fashion but the room is a great place with a fire place, wonderfull old books, board games and comfortable chairs. I don't want technology in that kind of setting. I want simple, close to nature stuff. That's the attraction of the place. That's why I want to go to places like that.

I think people that are dependent of electronics on a day to day basis may need to break their ties to the artificial world. Are electronics so intertwined in our lives that we can't seperate ourselves from them for even a few days?

Does anyone know what a Borg is?
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If you're staying there and your job requires you to check in daily, then

Use the pay phone.
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Like I said, never been there, didn't know about the pay phone, so that eliminates my argument for people with family considerations.

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I think people that are dependent of electronics on a day to day basis may need to break their ties to the artificial world. Are electronics so intertwined in our lives that we can't seperate ourselves from them for even a few days?
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For some of us, the answer is yes.

I work in IT, before my company was merged with a larger company, I had a very hard time going on any sort of vacation without being close to a computer and internet access.

If ANYTHING happened to one of the servers, an application crash, etc. in most cases, I was the ONLY person that could fix it. Most of the applications we used to use were proprietary. I couldn't go for a week long wilderness camp out during that time. I had to have access to the office in the event of an emergency, and they had to be able to contact me. The most flexibility I was granted was getting a long weekend here and there, usually Fridays since it was our slowest day of the week. Other than that I had to be in contact with the office.

Since we merged with this other company this is no longer the case for me.

If it weren't for the fact that I really like my job I would have never tolerated that. For people in my situation, something like what the loj is doing would be a godsend.

As I said before, I'm unfamiliar with the Loj, perhaps they could restrict internet use to certain areas/times, so as to not impinge on the wilderness experience of others?
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Old 01-19-2007, 05:21 PM   #11
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As I said before, I'm unfamiliar with the Loj

You're missing something real nice.

Go spend a weekend at the loj and do a new post. It would be interesting to see if this changes your opinion.
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Go spend a weekend at the loj and do a new post. It would be interesting to see if this changes your opinion.
That's the point I'm trying to make, until last year, I couldn't. I spent most of my time in the Adirondacks near my grandparents' house, that way if I had to login to work I could.

What's the setup like there? Are there seperate rooms, or is it more dormitory style? Would the idea of restricting usage to one area work or is there just one common space?

Just curious for your(or anyone's) thoughts on that.
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That's the point I'm trying to make, until last year, I couldn't. I spent most of my time in the Adirondacks near my grandparents' house, that way if I had to login to work I could.

What's the setup like there? Are there seperate rooms, or is it more dormitory style? Would the idea of restricting usage to one area work or is there just one common space?

Just curious for your(or anyone's) thoughts on that.
check this out for info on the Loj http://www.adk.org/ad_loj/index.aspx

I have never stayed there. ADK members get a discount on rates.
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OK, so after I've looked at the site posted by kwc: Would you still have a problem if they restricted internet usage to private rooms so as to lessen the impact on the wilderness experience for others?

I realize that as of now there is probably no restriction, but if there was would you be less concerned by it? If so, maybe you could petition ADK for something like that. Based on the poll, it seems like your not the only person to take issue with it.
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That's the point I'm trying to make, until last year, I couldn't. I spent most of my time in the Adirondacks near my grandparents' house, that way if I had to login to work I could.

What's the setup like there? Are there seperate rooms, or is it more dormitory style? Would the idea of restricting usage to one area work or is there just one common space?

Just curious for your(or anyone's) thoughts on that.
It seems to me you voted about wireless access in general.

Having never been to the Loj then maybe you shouldn't have voted or commented on something you don't have first hand knowledge on.

I think you need to have the experience on staying at the Loj to properly vote. Pictures are not enough.

Go stay at the Loj before your job responsibilities get in the way again.

You work too hard. You deserve to get away.
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eh, agree to disagree.

For the record I voted "It doesn't matter to me" Precisly because I've never been.
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OK, so after I've looked at the site posted by kwc: Would you still have a problem if they restricted internet usage to private rooms so as to lessen the impact on the wilderness experience for others?

I realize that as of now there is probably no restriction, but if there was would you be less concerned by it? If so, maybe you could petition ADK for something like that. Based on the poll, it seems like your not the only person to take issue with it.


Quite simple I go to a wildnerness/backcountry location because they do not have and I expect them not have or keep to a minimum modern conveniences. I don't want a modern hotel. That's the attraction. That's the value being violated by a wireless access hot spot.

I think if you have not stayed at the Loj and have experienced it's values first hand then you shouldn't vote on this issue at all.
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[QUOTE=coolrobc;58895]eh, agree to disagree.

It's an open forum. No big deal.
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If it's such a problem, then just ignore it, don't use it, don't bring your laptop or WiFi finder. I can't understand the reason for the debate. Maybe they should take out the toilets too.

But to many it's a nice, added benefit by the Club to help attract people who might otherwise stay in Lake Placid, where they can be connected. Let's help support the ADK, not bash them
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If Little Rickie receives Adirondac than he does support the ADK.

The ADK advertises itself as "Your Voice for Wilderness", hence they should be open to hearing what we think...

Little Rickie, to play off your BORG question, "resistance is" not "futile".
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