Adirondack Forum  
Rules Membership Donations and Online Store Adkhighpeaks Foundation ADKhighpeaks Forums ADKhighpeaks Wiki Disclaimer

Go Back   Adirondack Forum > The Adirondack Forum > Hiking in the Adirondacks
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 07-19-2019, 09:25 AM   #1
SamuraiHack
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 5
Legality of parking overnight at trailhead?

My girlfriend and I in mid-August will be hiking some mountains and camping overnight. We were wondering if that was even legal in that area or if we would need a permit. We would be around Indian Lake at the Snowy Mountain/Pillsbury Mountain trailhead.
Thanks!
SamuraiHack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2019, 10:43 AM   #2
dundee
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,604
You can't stay overnight in a trailhead parking lot, it's illegal, if that's what you were thinking. There is the Lewey Lake DEC campground, run by New York State. You will need a reservation. There are probably other private campgrounds in the area, but I don't know them.
dundee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2019, 10:47 AM   #3
TCD
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,754
But if you are "parking overnight" (meaning your car is parked there, but you are somewhere else) then that is perfectly legal.

So it was not clear from the OP what you intend to do. Agree with Dundee, it's illegal to camp (in your car or otherwise) at most trailheads.

>There are usually campgrounds nearby, so there's really no good reason to do this.

>In quiet areas, many people do sleep in their cars at trailheads before a hike, taking their chances for whatever reason. Most people seem to get away with it, although it cannot be said to be a good idea.
TCD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2019, 10:50 AM   #4
Lucky13
Member
 
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 433
It has to be legal to leave your car at the parking area, or how could you hike back into the woods to camp? However, it might not be so legal to sleep in the car over night, as you would then be camped within 150 of a road, trail, or water. I was reviewing the recent standards for tentsites document by NYSDEC, and there is discussion in there about the illegality of "camping", that is, sleeping in a vehicle or camper in the parking area of a designated roadside camping spot, and it basically said a permit from the local ranger would be required for this, otherwise the camp would have to be established on the tentsite, not at the vehicle. So, I don't think you should plan on car camping at a roadside parking area for trail access, at least not without checking with the local Forest Ranger. There is beaucoup roadside camping not too far from the Snowy Trail in the Moose River Plains, and the parking for most of these is integrated into the campsite.
Lucky13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2019, 11:06 AM   #5
SamuraiHack
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by TCD View Post
But if you are "parking overnight" (meaning your car is parked there, but you are somewhere else) then that is perfectly legal.

So it was not clear from the OP what you intend to do. Agree with Dundee, it's illegal to camp (in your car or otherwise) at most trailheads.

>There are usually campgrounds nearby, so there's really no good reason to do this.

>In quiet areas, many people do sleep in their cars at trailheads before a hike, taking their chances for whatever reason. Most people seem to get away with it, although it cannot be said to be a good idea.

Ah, I should have clarified. We would be sleeping off the trail of some part of the mountain, not in our car.
SamuraiHack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2019, 11:07 AM   #6
SamuraiHack
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky13 View Post
It has to be legal to leave your car at the parking area, or how could you hike back into the woods to camp? However, it might not be so legal to sleep in the car over night, as you would then be camped within 150 of a road, trail, or water. I was reviewing the recent standards for tentsites document by NYSDEC, and there is discussion in there about the illegality of "camping", that is, sleeping in a vehicle or camper in the parking area of a designated roadside camping spot, and it basically said a permit from the local ranger would be required for this, otherwise the camp would have to be established on the tentsite, not at the vehicle. So, I don't think you should plan on car camping at a roadside parking area for trail access, at least not without checking with the local Forest Ranger. There is beaucoup roadside camping not too far from the Snowy Trail in the Moose River Plains, and the parking for most of these is integrated into the campsite.
We would be sleeping off the trail on some part of the mountain, not in the car.
SamuraiHack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2019, 12:08 PM   #7
TCD
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,754
OK, then you'll be fine. Many cars are parked overnight at many trailheads.

>Don't leave valuables visible in your car. Car break ins rarely happen in the Adirondacks, but periodically there will be a wave of them in some location, so it's always best to be careful.

>Make sure you are following the State land use regulations for your chosen camping location:

https://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/7872.html
TCD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2019, 12:58 PM   #8
Neil
Kayak-46
 
Neil's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 6,034
Good on you Samurai to get info BEFORE heading out.
First principle of LNT is: Plan ahead and prepare.
__________________
The best, the most successful adventurer, is the one having the most fun.
Neil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2019, 09:35 PM   #9
Lonehiker
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Dolgeville
Posts: 97
Quote:
Originally Posted by TCD View Post
But if you are "parking overnight" (meaning your car is parked there, but you are somewhere else) then that is perfectly legal.

So it was not clear from the OP what you intend to do. Agree with Dundee, it's illegal to camp (in your car or otherwise) at most trailheads.

>There are usually campgrounds nearby, so there's really no good reason to do this.

>In quiet areas, many people do sleep in their cars at trailheads before a hike, taking their chances for whatever reason. Most people seem to get away with it, although it cannot be said to be a good idea.
So, that is risky. I have had times were I pulled off for a 15 to 30 minute nap, so I could make it home. One time a uniformed man, probably a game warden, knocked on my window. He asked what I was doing and was looking particularly at my hiking equipment. I told him I just got out of 3rd shift and I need to nap for a moment so I can survive the drive. He said ok and left.
Lonehiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2019, 09:20 AM   #10
Bob K
Member
 
Bob K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Saratoga County, NY
Posts: 546
There are several free primative car camping spots on the dirt access road on the way to the Pillsbury trailhead, a few others by Mason Lake, closer to Snowy. PM me if you want more details.
Bob K is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2019, 02:13 PM   #11
SamuraiHack
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob K View Post
There are several free primative car camping spots on the dirt access road on the way to the Pillsbury trailhead, a few others by Mason Lake, closer to Snowy. PM me if you want more details.
Just shot you a message, thanks!
SamuraiHack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2019, 05:38 PM   #12
Terasec
Member
 
Terasec's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 184
You should let local ranger know your plans
They make check in on the lot/car if they know
As others stated can park 3 nights
More than 3 nights requires a permit
I used get to a lot wee hours of the morning sleep a bit and head out at first light
Recently found out that is illegal any sleeping in the car while its in a trailhead lot is considered camping i no longer do it
Terasec is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:20 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

DISCLAIMER: Use of these forums, and information found herein, is at your own risk. Use of this site by members and non-members alike is only granted by the adkhighpeak.com administration provided the terms and conditions found in the FULL DISCLAIMER have been read. Continued use of this site implies that you have read, understood and agree to the terms and conditions of this site. Any questions can be directed to the Administrator of this site.