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Green Drake 10-07-2019 08:59 PM

Lake Colden Brook Trout DEC Press Release
 
FYI

https://www.dec.ny.gov/press/118397.html

DSettahr 10-07-2019 09:25 PM

Just in time for this wonderful news: https://www.adirondackcouncil.org/pa...acks-1247.html

wildbrookies 10-07-2019 09:30 PM

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dundee 10-07-2019 10:13 PM

I read an article (can't remember exactly, but may have been a DEC written history) about Avalanche Lake and Lake Colden. The article said that they were probably fishless. the rookies they now finding may be descendants of fish stocked by the Tahwaus Club who owned the property up to the 1920's.

Green Drake 10-07-2019 10:58 PM

The DEC also did aerial stocking of Colden until 1977 and Avalanche until 1986, but by that point both lakes were so acidic the fish probably weren't lasting the season.

Tug Hill 10-08-2019 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Green Drake (Post 278502)
The DEC also did aerial stocking of Colden until 1977 and Avalanche until 1986, but by that point both lakes were so acidic the fish probably weren't lasting the season.

According to the article , apparently they were lasting. There’s a lake in the moose river plains that so called, experts , always stated could not support brook trout.
But, funny thing, there are brook trout in it ?

Lucky13 10-08-2019 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DSettahr (Post 278495)
Just in time for this wonderful news: https://www.adirondackcouncil.org/pa...acks-1247.html

I want to point out that our wonderful empero...I mean, Governor seems to be taking an inordinate amount of credit, through his mouthpiece Basil Segos, for actions that NYS took after the fact of the initiation of the Clean Air Act at the Federal Level, and if it was the NYS actions that resulted in this change at Colden, the changes in the midwest may be moot (not my feeling at all). However a look at the graph that Mr Janeway is using to tar Trump shows larger "shifts in trend" in 2010-11, and many shifts throughout the data series. Also, two years is insufficient to define any trend or shift in one. These shifts could just be measurement "noise", we don't see the error bars on these points so have no way of judging. And the over all trend in that data is still a rise in pH and a drop in Conductivity. But maybe our NYS Attorney General can find some time between suing for Trump's tax returns to sue the midwest states where the soot originates, and the EPA, for these " externalities."

Bravo to the ALSC for taking the time to look. Their database has been a great source of information for me ever since I found out about it. Here's a link for any who have not visited the site. http://www.adirondacklakessurvey.org/

For a great description of Colden when it was full of trout, read Vincent Engels' "Adirondack Fishing in the 1930's; A Lost Paradise." I want to cry for what I missed and we lost every time I revisit the book.

Stillhunter 10-08-2019 01:39 PM

Well said Lucky13.

webby459 10-08-2019 01:55 PM

Lucky, I'm trying to understand parts of your post. You put quotes around externalities, implying (?) that you are skeptical of midwest particulates as a cause of acid rain and general pollution. But prior to that you say (moot).

If it were particulate pollution, partially from the midwest which I think follows from the direction of the prevailing wind, and those particulates specifically from coal plants partially or fully caused acid rain, then wouldn't increasing those outputs be kind of a defacto bad thing?

Without even considering the political element or lawsuits, at least and especially from our perspective, ostensibly NYers, wouldn't leaving the regs for coal plant outputs alone have been more beneficial?

Otherwise, I'm thrilled with species having more health in our lakes. I hope the trend continues!

OntarioSkiBum 10-08-2019 02:03 PM

Ontario eliminated coal based generation about 5 years back. I would think that would have as much (or more) of a beneficial impact on the Adirondacks then the Midwest.

Lucky13 10-08-2019 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by webby459 (Post 278518)
Lucky, I'm trying to understand parts of your post. You put quotes around externalities, implying (?) that you are skeptical of midwest particulates as a cause of acid rain and general pollution. But prior to that you say (moot).

If it were particulate pollution, partially from the midwest which I think follows from the direction of the prevailing wind, and those particulates specifically from coal plants partially or fully caused acid rain, then wouldn't increasing those outputs be kind of a defacto bad thing?

Without even considering the political element or lawsuits, at least and especially from our perspective, ostensibly NYers, wouldn't leaving the regs for coal plant outputs alone have been more beneficial?

Otherwise, I'm thrilled with species having more health in our lakes. I hope the trend continues!

I think I put then quotes around the word because for many it might be jargon, but I would definitely support litigation to make it cease, and it is likely that we'll see some slowdown of recovery. But environmental change doesn't usually happen rapidly, so some of the cause and effect drawn here (or that's what I'm hearing) may be a little premature.

webby459 10-08-2019 03:47 PM

I got it, thanks for taking the time Lucky.

ILikeRocks 10-08-2019 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OntarioSkiBum (Post 278519)
Ontario eliminated coal based generation about 5 years back. I would think that would have as much (or more) of a beneficial impact on the Adirondacks then the Midwest.

The prevailing winds for the NE United States come from the SW (Midwest USA), that makes the Midwest “upstream” of us. Their air pollution goes to us.

OntarioSkiBum 10-09-2019 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ILikeRocks (Post 278529)
The prevailing winds for the NE United States come from the SW (Midwest USA), that makes the Midwest “upstream” of us. Their air pollution goes to us.

This is from the NOAA... The prevailing wind is generally from the west in New York State. A southwest component
becomes evident in winds during the warmer months while a northwest component is
characteristic of the colder half of the year.

I would say the transformation of the rust belt from manufacturing to service based economies has also played a huge role.

geogymn 10-09-2019 05:54 PM

Wind site:

https://www.ventusky.com/?p=40.9;-87.8;4&l=wind-10m

Stillhunter 10-09-2019 08:40 PM

Over the next 5 to 10 years this press release will bring high and steady fishing pressure just like a few other recent recovered waters have been hit hard. The spawning brookies will probably be impacted more by "catch and eat" than any increase in acid precipitation.

Lucky13 10-10-2019 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Stillhunter (Post 278555)
Over the next 5 to 10 years this press release will bring high and steady fishing pressure just like a few other recent recovered waters have been hit hard. The spawning brookies will probably be impacted more by "catch and eat" than any increase in acid precipitation.

I think the remoteness and distance will mitigate some of that. And old timer's like me won't get in there because we sleep too late to get a parking space anymore!;)

TCD 11-01-2019 09:28 PM

I read the article about this in the Sun Community News today.

DEC maintains that there were "NO FISH" in Lake Colden in 2004. Well how do they know? Did they pump the lake dry, and filter all the water through a screen? Of course not.

Now, according to the article, they are struggling to explain how the fish have mysteriously reappeared. Occam's razor says the simplest explanation is the they have been there all along, just not detected. But that doesn't fit the heroic political narrative that Seggos is trying to spray.

Not a fisherman; just annoyed by the narrative spray that seems to be DEC's strongest product these days...

Adironzach 11-02-2019 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TCD (Post 278972)
I read the article about this in the Sun Community News today.

DEC maintains that there were "NO FISH" in Lake Colden in 2004. Well how do they know? Did they pump the lake dry, and filter all the water through a screen? Of course not.

Now, according to the article, they are struggling to explain how the fish have mysteriously reappeared. Occam's razor says the simplest explanation is the they have been there all along, just not detected. But that doesn't fit the heroic political narrative that Seggos is trying to spray.

Not a fisherman; just annoyed by the narrative spray that seems to be DEC's strongest product these days...

I do not know what survey techniques they used for the study so i wont comment on that. Personally though, i spent a lot of time in the Lake Colden region from 05-09 and the lake was always devoid of life. Small baitfish, crayfish, salamanders, nothing. I always found it eerily empty.

vtflyfish 11-02-2019 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TCD (Post 278972)
I read the article about this in the Sun Community News today.

DEC maintains that there were "NO FISH" in Lake Colden in 2004. Well how do they know?
Not a fisherman; just annoyed by the narrative spray that seems to be DEC's strongest product these days...

TCD, this isn't the first lake to spontaneously regenerate. Honnedaga is the classic example. The prevailing hypothesis is that brookies persisted in small numbers in tributary streams. They then colonized the lakes when conditions improved to the point they could reliably live there. Proof positive? No, but a reasonable scenario backed up by ALSC netting and survey data.

I'm not a big fan of their narrative but before you totally trash the DEC please be aware of the following:
  • The DEC successfully reclaimed numerous water bodies for brook trout that were severely degraded by invasive species. Entire watersheds were recovered in some cases.
The DEC identified, saved and re-stocked several brook trout strains that are unique to the Adirondacks.[/LIST]As a result it is now possible to catch a 6 lb brookie in the Adirondacks. ask me how I know. That possibility hasn't existed in many, many decades.


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