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Eddie Fournier 05-22-2019 12:30 PM

Newbie questions
 
I have never owned a boat, nor have I gone on any significant canoe or kayak expedition (say more than 3 hours). Reading The Trails of the Adirondacks has triggered my interest in knowing more about paddling in the area. But being such a newbie, I have no idea where to start.

Here is some background:
- I generally find that kayaks are more comfortable - in fact, I rarely find comfort in a canoe, but maybe I'm doing it wrong
- I enjoy fishing (as a leasurly activity, nothing serious), but I probably would not be confident enough to fish out of a canoe, much less of a kayak
- my significant other does not enjoy camping, so overnight trips are probably out of the question
- I'm not scared of a little portage

So, for starters, what would make the most sense? A 2-person canoe? Two 1-person kayaks? Other?

I realize this might seem stupid, I am truly a newbie in paddling.

Terasec 05-22-2019 12:43 PM

whatever gets you out on the water, canoe or kayak is a personal preference,
storage and loading could be an issue
if your planning on getting 2 people out on the water would probably suggest a canoe to start, that would get you both out on the water right away,
confidence with either will come in time,

Festus 05-22-2019 03:00 PM

I greatly prefer the independence of kayaks - especially light weight kayaks (non-plastic). Rent a boat from one of the 3 outfitters around the village of Saranac Lake and have them shuttle you to Middle Saranac. Make sure it is a warm day as the beaches are fun on Middle and make sure it isn't very windy. Maybe paddle the classic from Middle to Lower Saranac Lake and meet the shuttle there. This takes around 4 hours but make sure to go with the direction of flow which is from Middle to Lower! Have a picnic on one of the rocky islands on Lower (Bluff Island...).

rickhart 05-22-2019 03:10 PM

Why don't you try some different kinds of boats by renting them from an outfitter, like St Regis Canoe Outfitters? Or you could go with a guided trip, again either with an outfitter or a guide? You can also try out boats at a number of stores if they have water adjacent (but then you can't really give them a longer run like if you rented). The tipping point for my decision to buy a Hornbeck was a guided day trip.

Wldrns 05-22-2019 05:25 PM

Don't discount the benefits of a canoe over a kayak. they are much roomier, easier to load and carry gear, much easier to portage, and IMO more fun to paddle. Of course there is a steeper learning curve with a bit of skill to be learned with controlling a canoe rather than simply swinging a double blade paddle in a kayak. Try before you buy, get some good instruction. Any of the outfitters listed below can do that for you.

You just missed the Mountainman Paddlefest in Old Forge last weekend. You could have trial paddled any number, dozens of canoes and kayaks from many of the vendors themselves.

St Regis Canoe Outfitters:
https://www.canoeoutfitters.com
73 Dorsey Street
Saranac Lake, NY 12983
info@canoeoutfitters.com

Raquette River Outfitters:
https://raquetteriveroutfitters.com
1754 State Route 30, Tupper Lake, NY 12986
(518)359-3228 info@raquetteriveroutfitters.com

http://www.macscanoe.com
Adirondack Watershed Alliance
518 891-2744 (Brian's cell)
MAC'S Canoe Livery
​(518) 891-1176\5859 State Route 30
Lake Clear, NY 12945

mountainman outdoors:
http://www.mountainmanoutdoors.com
(315) 369-6672
Location: 2855 Rt. 28, Old Forge, NY 13420

richard1726 05-23-2019 06:39 AM

Buy a cheap boat and spend your money on a nice paddle and comfortable PFD that you can wear all the time. If the boat is as heavy as lead to you get a cheap canoe cart/trolley.

VTskier 05-23-2019 07:18 AM

First off, don't buy anything until you've tried various canoes and kayaks. Make use of the various outfitters mentioned above. You may find that your significant other just isn't into paddling, nothing wrong with that but no sense buying a tandem if you end up going alone.

Second - stick to smaller lakes to start, ST Regis Outfitters has a location on Floodwood Pond, nice pond to get use to paddling and handling a boat. Perhaps try a couple of different boats over the course of a day. Bring a lunch, paddle and then stop at a open campsite and enjoy lunch & a view. If you are feeling comfortable, you can paddle down Fish Creek a ways and then turn around and come back.

Third - Start with short trip and one that allows for an easy bailout back to the start. Remember this is suppose to be fun, don't over plan and over extend you first few times out.

It takes some time to have confidence in a boat. Newbies tend to believe that they will flip at any moment, which is just not true. In fact, if its a warm summer day & the water is warm, try leaning the boat over to see how far it goes. Do this near shore and you get practice and a refreshing dip! Remember to relax and have fun

MTVhike 05-23-2019 08:29 AM

I agree with VTskier about St. Regis Outfitters. I've rented boats from both of their locations and paddling from the Floodwood site is really fun.


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